Mark, I second that!
Matt, This is like my imaginary robot that rewires its video feed to be nothing but tan, to stimulate the pleasure drive that humans put there to make it like humans better. If we have any external goals at all, the state of bliss you refer to prevents us from achieving them. Knowing this, we do not want to enter that state. --Abram Demski On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> No, the state of ultimate bliss that you, I, and all other rational, goal >> seeking agents seek > > Your second statement copied below not withstanding, I *don't* seek ultimate > bliss. > >> You may say that is not what you want, but only because you are unaware of >> the possibilities of reprogramming your brain. It is like being opposed to >> drugs or wireheading. Once you experience it, you can't resist. > > It is not what I want *NOW*. It may be that once my brain has been altered > by experiencing it, I may want it *THEN* but that has no relevance to what I > want and seek now. > > These statements are just sloppy reasoning . . . . > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Mahoney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <agi@v2.listbox.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:05 PM > Subject: Re: AGI goals (was Re: Information theoretic approaches to AGI (was > Re: [agi] The Necessity of Embodiment)) > > >> Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>>> What if the utility of the state decreases the longer that you are in >>>>> it >>>>> (something that is *very* true of human >>>> >>>> beings)? >>>> If you are aware of the passage of time, then you are not staying in the >>>> same state. >>> >>> I have to laugh. So you agree that all your arguments don't apply to >>> anything that is aware of the passage of time? That makes them really >>> useful, doesn't it. >> >> No, the state of ultimate bliss that you, I, and all other rational, goal >> seeking agents seek is a mental state in which nothing perceptible happens. >> Without thought or sensation, you would be unaware of the passage of time, >> or of anything else. If you are aware of time then you are either not in >> this state yet, or are leaving it. >> >> You may say that is not what you want, but only because you are unaware of >> the possibilities of reprogramming your brain. It is like being opposed to >> drugs or wireheading. Once you experience it, you can't resist. >> >> -- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> agi >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > agi > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=111637683-c8fa51 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
