That is interesting. Sorry if I was short before, but I wish you would have 
just explained that from the start. Few here are going to be familiar with 
linux install tools or the communities around them.

I think a similar case could be made for a lot of large open source projects 
such as Linux itself. However, in this case and others, the software itself is 
the result of a high-level super goal defined by one or more humans. Even if no 
single person is directing the subgoals, the supergoal is still well defined by 
the ostensible aim of the software. People who contribute align themselves with 
that supergoal, even if not directed explicitly to do so. So it's not exactly 
self-organized, since the supergoal is conceived when the software project was 
first instantiated and stays constant, for the most part.

As opposed to markets, which can emerge without anything to spawn it except for 
folks with different goals (one to buy, one to sell). Perhaps then in a roughly 
similar way the organization of the brain emerges as a result of certain 
regions of the brain having something to "sell" and others having something to 
"buy".  I think Hebbian learning can be made to fit that model.

Terren

--- On Wed, 9/17/08, Bryan Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Bryan Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [agi] self organization
> To: agi@v2.listbox.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 3:23 PM
> On Wednesday 17 September 2008, Terren Suydam wrote:
> > OK, how's that different from the collaboration
> inherent in any human
> > project? Can you just explain your viewpoint?
> 
> When you have something like 20,000+ contributors writing
> software that 
> can very, very easily break, I think it's an
> interesting feat to have 
> it managed effectively. There's no way that we top-down
> designed this 
> and gave every 20,000 of these people a separate job to do
> on a giant 
> todo list, it was self-organizing. So, you were mentioning
> the 
> applicability of such things to the design of intelligence
> ... just 
> thought it was relevant.
> 
> - Bryan
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