A key point IMO is that: problem-solving that is non-algorithmic (in Pei's sense) at one level (the level of the particular problem being solved) may still be algorithmic at a different level (for instance, NARS itself is a set of algorithms).
So, to me, calling NARS problem-solving non-algorithmic is a bit odd... though not incorrect according to the definitions Pei lays out... AGI design then **is** about designing algorithms (such as the NARS algorithms) that enable an AI system to solve problems in both algorithmic and non-algorithmic ways... ben On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Ben, > > I'm only saying that CPS seems to be loosely equivalent to wicked, > ill-structured problem-solving, (the reference to convergent/divergent (or > crystallised vs fluid) etc is merely to point out a common distinction in > psychology between two kinds of intelligence that Pei wasn't aware of in the > past - which is actually loosely equivalent to the distinction between > narrow AI and general AI problemsolving). > > In the end, what Pei is/isn't aware of in terms of general knowledge, > doesn't matter much - don't you think that his attempt to do without > algorithms IS v. important? And don't you think any such attempt would be > better off referring explicitly to the literature on wicked, ill-structured > problems? > > I don't think that pointing all this out is silly - this (a non-algorithmic > approach to CPS/wicked/whatever) is by far the most important thing > currently being discussed here - and potentially, if properly developed, > revolutionary.. Worth getting excited about, no? > > (It would also be helpful BTW to discuss the "wicked" literature because it > actually has abundant examples of wicked problems - and those, you must > admit, are rather hard to come by here ). > > > Ben: TITLE: Case-by-case Problem Solving (draft) > > AUTHOR: Pei Wang > > > .... > >> >> But you seem to be reinventing the term for wheel. There is an extensive >> literature, including AI stuff, on "wicked, ill-structured" problems, (and >> even "nonprogrammed decisionmaking" which won't, I suggest, be replaced by >> "case-by-case PS". These are well-established terms. You similarly seemed >> to be unaware of the v. common distinction between convergent & divergent >> problem-solving. > > > > Mike, I have to say I find this mode of discussion fairly silly.. > > Pei has a rather comprehensive knowledge of AI and a strong knowledge of > cog-sci as well. It is obviously not the case that he is unaware of these > terms and ideas you are referring to. > > Obviously, what he means by "case-by-case problem solving" is NOT the same > as "nonprogrammed decisionmaking" nor "divergent problem-solving." > > In his paper, he is presenting a point of view, not seeking to compare this > point of view to the whole corpus of literature and ideas that he has > absorbed during his lifetime. > > I happen not to fully agree with Pei's thinking on these topics (though I > like much of it), but I know Pei well enough to know that those. places > where his thinking diverges from mine, are *not* due to ignorance of the > literature on his part... > > ------------------------------ > *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, SIAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must be first overcome " - Dr Samuel Johnson ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=114414975-3c8e69 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
