Ben, On 10/5/08, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hmmm ... I doubt that a quick and dirty nontechnical > I would think that it should be technical, e.g. targeted for someone with a CS degree, but written as though the reader had never heard of OpenCog. > wiki page on opencogprime would help anyone much ... a decent nontechnical > exposition of the ideas would require a lot of legwork in terms of > presenting background material > Hasn't someone else done this on a web page somewhere that you could provide a hyperlink to? > and clarifying preliminary terms and ideas ... > You just need a BIG glossary. I once wrote a paper where the glossary was much longer than the rest of the paper. There were several people who didn't like what I had to say, but the glossary brought them up to speed on that particular topic. Indeed, some medical topics are best written as 100% glossary. I have seen this done, though the entries had to be presented out of alphabetical order. I suggest bolding terms where their glossary entries MUST be read and understood to get the meaning of the sentence. > without that, discussion just bogs down on preliminary points and never > even gets to the main unique aspects of the design (which is what usually > happens in discussions of the design on this list ;-) > Exactly my point. Just provide some good references, write a comprehensive glossary (note that it is OK to include phrases as well as words in your glossary), and add to it as necessary, and just refer "preliminary point" queries to the appropriate reference or glossary entry. In addition to doing a better job of working together, I suspect that this would actually be less work for you than the current process is. BTW, my own thought is that nearly every part of AI is initially oversold, falls short of its goals, but eventually finds a useful niche. For example, POS tagging doesn't work for understanding real-world English (its initial target), but it works GREAT for grammar checkers. Computers certainly could and should be a LOT smarter. Hence, I expect to see useful developments come from OpenCog, regardless of whether it ever evolves to become a part of an AGI. However, without a LOT of funding, I suspect that individual efforts may be constrained to dealing with the smaller body of UNcommon knowledge, rather than the MUCH larger body of common knowledge - hence my efforts on Dr. Eliza. However, it could reasonably be argued that the lack of tools to effectively gather common knowledge underlies and continues this phenomenon, making mine a self-fulfilling prophesy. Hence, I find efforts like yours to be very interesting, even though I am putting my own efforts in other directions. Steve Richfield On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Steve Richfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Ben, >> >> Perhaps if you just through together a quick and dirty Wiki page and asked >> others to clean it up, then it might evolve into what the world needs here. >> >> Also, it would organize discussions and disputes, e.g. by allowing people >> to put questions into the explanation, to then be answered through editing >> rather than the back and forth banter on this forum. >> >> With luck, it would help wring your ideas out and disarm your detractors, >> and provide more than a mere writeup - a piece to help sell your concept on >> a wider scale. >> >> Steve Richfield >> =============== >> On 10/1/08, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Steve Richfield < >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Ben, >>>> >>>> I have been eagerly awaiting such a document. However, the Grand >>>> Technical Guru (i.e. you) is usually NOT the person to write such a thing. >>>> Usually, an associate, user, author, or some such person who is on the user >>>> side rather than on the implementing side. Separated from the lock washers >>>> and solder, these people usually paint the picture and portray the dream in >>>> clearer language. >>>> >>> >>> Interesting. That is what Michael Rae helped Aubrey de Grey do in their >>> coauthored book "Beyond Aging", I would say... >>> >>> As I have some experience doing science journalism myself (I wrote >>> newspaper articles for a German paper for a while), I think I'm well >>> qualified to write such a thing ... but I just don't have the time right >>> now.... And, of course, it can be worthwhile for the purposes of writing >>> such a thing, to have a little more mental distance from the details than I >>> would ever achieve... >>> >>> >>>> Is there such a person for OpenCogPrime? If not, then I guess I'll just >>>> have to go on waiting for your creation. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> There are several people with the *ability* to write such a book >>> associated with OpenCog Prime ... but none at the moment with both the >>> ability and the free time ... due to the relevant folks having the need to >>> work for a living ... but who knows, maybe a person with the requisite >>> combination of ability/time will emerge ... time will tell... >>> >>> ben >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | >>> Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription >>> <http://www.listbox.com/> >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | >> Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com/> >> > > > > -- > Ben Goertzel, PhD > CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC > Director of Research, SIAI > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must be first > overcome " - Dr Samuel Johnson > > > ------------------------------ > *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com/> > ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=114414975-3c8e69 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
