--- On Sat, 10/18/08, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyway, I think it's reasonable to doubt my story about how RSI will be > achieved. All I have is a plausibility argument, not a proof. What got my > dander up about Matt's argument was that he was claiming to have a > "debunking" of the RSI ... a proof that it is impossible or infeasible. I do > not think he presented any such thing; I think he presented an opinion in the > guise of a proof.... It may be a reasonable opinion but that's very > different from a proof.
I think the source of our disagreement is the "I" in "RSI". What does it mean to improve? From Ben's OpenCog roadmap (see http://www.opencog.org/wiki/OpenCogPrime:Roadmap ) I think it is clear that Ben's definition of improvement is Turing's definition of AI: "more like a human". In this case, AGI can never be achieved because nothing can be more like a human than a human. My definition of improvement is in terms of goal achievement. If you allow that goal achievement depends on knowledge, and that algorithmic complexity bounds knowledge, then I think it is clear that RSI is not possible in a closed system because information can't come from nowhere. But if you accept this definition, then superhuman intelligence was achieved 50 years ago, depending on your choice of goals. A third possibility is to extend the intuitive idea of human intelligence development in Ben's roadmap: artificial toddler -> child -> adult -> scientist. But I am not sure where this leads. Peering over the event horizon, perhaps it continues -> transhuman -> gray goo. Or maybe the more familiar -> retired -> dead. It would help if Ben outlined his goals for phases 6, 7, and 8. Maybe: 1. To make Ben rich. 2. To make Ben happy. 3. To make Ben immortal. 4. To prove Matt wrong. And then we could talk intelligently about RSI. For example, I could prove that (2) and (3) are mutually exclusive, leading to (4)... -- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=117534816-b15a34 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
