Sorry for the double post but I just got another idea: What if I made an Agency/Contract that let me be other people's talking-proxy? If they deliberately lie, they wouldn't be infringing "and it was made with the intent to mislead.", because I wouldn't have "made" the message with any intent, because I didn't make it at all, so I can't make it "with" something. So despite the rules "believing" that I did make it, that just assigns the tag that I made that message, but intent-with-message wouldn't be there at all, because I never produced an intent-with-message (although the original sender may definitely have their own intent-with-message in their heads, but luckily that kind of "thoughtcrime" wouldn't be attributed to me via Acting on Behalf).
If this rule passes, and I'm correct in the technique I've just posted, I'm up for making a trade with another person where we are each other's talking proxy, so that we can never be hit by "no Faking" for whatever reason. And its free lol. It's like having free "Indulgencies" back in the days of Blots. That aside, is "to intend" something performable via agency? It's an action, and it would be very ruleset relevant if this "no faking" passes, because then I could reroute all of my intents to someone where those intents mean nothing because they're mismatched with actions which have nothing to do with them (assuming that thoughts without action based on those thoughts aren't criminal, just thoughts). This goes a bit into philosophical territory so I'll lounge on it in a-d for a good while before trying it for real, would my idea be good/feasible in the first place. On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Cuddle Beam <cuddleb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Do statements on a-d count? > > Do statements that people publish elsewhere, outside of Agora, also count? > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Aris Merchant < > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I retract the proposal "Truthfulness", and submit the following. >> >> --- >> Title: Truthfulness v2 >> Adoption index: 1.0 >> Author: Aris >> Co-authors: >> >> Amend Rule 2471, "No Faking", by changing it to read in full: >> >> A person SHALL NOT make a public statement that is a lie. A statment is >> a lie >> if its publisher either knew or believed it to be not to be true at the >> time >> e published it (or, in the case of an action, not to be effective), and >> it >> was made with the intent to mislead. Merely quoting a statement does not >> constitute making it for the purposes of this rule. Any disclaimer, >> conditional clause, or other qualifier attached to a statement >> constitutes >> part of the statement for the purposes of this rule; the truth or >> falsity of >> the whole is what is significant. >> >> The previous provisions of this rule notwithstanding, a formal >> announcement of >> intent is never a lie. >> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Aris Merchant >> <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I submit the following proposal. Proposals are cheap, so I'm just >> > going to put this out and probably pend it tomorrow. This alters our >> > current "No Faking" Rule, changing it into an old-fashioned no lying >> > in public rule. My primary motivation for this is the rather vague >> > idea that it might lead to interesting gameplay, as it certainly did >> > in the past. Note that it only applies to the public fora, so you're >> > free to lie as much as you like on a-d, as I understand is >> > traditional. I borrowed most of the text, tweaking it to make it a >> > little less demanding. >> > >> > -Aris >> > --- >> > Title: Truthfulness >> > Adoption index: 1.0 >> > Author: Aris >> > Co-authors: >> > >> > Amend Rule 2471, "No Faking", by changing it to read in full: >> > >> > A person SHALL NOT make a public statement that is a lie. A statment >> is a lie >> > if its publisher either knew or believed it to be not to be true (or, >> in the >> > case of an action, not to be effective), and it is made with the >> intent to >> > mislead. Merely quoting a statement does not constitute making it for >> the >> > purposes of this rule. Any disclaimer, conditional clause, or other >> > qualifier attached to a statement constitutes part of the statement >> for >> > the purposes of this rule; the truth or falsity of the whole is what >> is >> > significant. >> > >> > The previous provisions of this rule notwithstanding, a formal >> announcement of >> > intent is never a lie. >> > >
