I've always disliked thought police rules, we've had them, but both the burden of evidence and bad feeling make them a pain, and trying to codify specific forbidden speech leaves loopholes where a scammer can skirt the technical punishment while still being just as "bad".
Going along with our current punishment metaphor, and recent discussion of conduct, why not just implement an "unsportsmanlike conduct" card with some general guidelines on what that is, maybe a higher bar for fingerpointing (I dunno, 3 support) and/or letting judges figure out what qualifies... On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: > Do statements on a-d count? > Do statements that people publish elsewhere, outside of Agora, also count? > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Aris Merchant > <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > I retract the proposal "Truthfulness", and submit the following. > > --- > Title: Truthfulness v2 > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: Aris > Co-authors: > > Amend Rule 2471, "No Faking", by changing it to read in full: > > A person SHALL NOT make a public statement that is a lie. A statment > is a lie > if its publisher either knew or believed it to be not to be true at > the time > e published it (or, in the case of an action, not to be effective), > and it > was made with the intent to mislead. Merely quoting a statement does > not > constitute making it for the purposes of this rule. Any disclaimer, > conditional clause, or other qualifier attached to a statement > constitutes > part of the statement for the purposes of this rule; the truth or > falsity of > the whole is what is significant. > > The previous provisions of this rule notwithstanding, a formal > announcement of > intent is never a lie. > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Aris Merchant > <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I submit the following proposal. Proposals are cheap, so I'm just > > going to put this out and probably pend it tomorrow. This alters our > > current "No Faking" Rule, changing it into an old-fashioned no lying > > in public rule. My primary motivation for this is the rather vague > > idea that it might lead to interesting gameplay, as it certainly did > > in the past. Note that it only applies to the public fora, so you're > > free to lie as much as you like on a-d, as I understand is > > traditional. I borrowed most of the text, tweaking it to make it a > > little less demanding. > > > > -Aris > > --- > > Title: Truthfulness > > Adoption index: 1.0 > > Author: Aris > > Co-authors: > > > > Amend Rule 2471, "No Faking", by changing it to read in full: > > > > A person SHALL NOT make a public statement that is a lie. A > statment is a lie > > if its publisher either knew or believed it to be not to be true > (or, in the > > case of an action, not to be effective), and it is made with the > intent to > > mislead. Merely quoting a statement does not constitute making it > for the > > purposes of this rule. Any disclaimer, conditional clause, or other > > qualifier attached to a statement constitutes part of the statement > for > > the purposes of this rule; the truth or falsity of the whole is > what is > > significant. > > > > The previous provisions of this rule notwithstanding, a formal > announcement of > > intent is never a lie. > > > >
