Burden of proof is with the bidder to prove it is wrong but criminal penalty is higher: class 9 crime v general "no faking".
On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 10:15 AM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > > Hmm, it's a problem. If you're worried that emails can't be proven, > you have to be equally worried that a bidder may lie versus the > announcer lying. If we get to the point that a bidder says "I sent > you a bid" and the announcer says "no you didn't", where should the > burden of proof be? (As an aside, we had Secret Voting before and > and over many votes I don't remember anything that wasn't resolved > right away as an honest mistake). > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Rebecca wrote: >> yes because it's the one case where lying is perfectly doable and >> intentional lying could almost never be distinguished by anyone. class >> 9 isn't even huge. it's one above intending to ratify without >> objection incorrect information. >> >> fair point on the first one. I would have simplicity reign and say >> they MUST privately email the speaker, or prime minister, or someone >> else, who can verify if the person has lied after they report. >> >> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 10:04 AM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Rebecca wrote: >> >> Also >> >> add in a new paragraph "Rules and Contracts notwithstanding, no >> >> Announcer may ever bid on an Auction they are Announcing". >> > >> > This is a massive disadvantage: It's unfair to ask an officer to >> > completely stay out of a subgame, especially because people choose >> > offices based on subgames they're interested in. >> > >> > My suggestion would be something like: In the auction-starting >> > announcement, the announcer CAN include an SHA-512 hash of eir >> > bid. Such a bid cannot be changed and MUST be reported with the >> > auction results. >> > >> >> Failing to correctly and fully relate the results of an Auction as an >> >> Auction announcer is the Class-9 Crime of Auction Obfuscation, and >> >> Auction announcers SHALL NOT so fail". >> > >> > So, um... any honest mistake and it's a class-9 crime? >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> From V.J. Rada >> > -- >From V.J. Rada
