G. wrote: > *sigh* I'm hoping this isn't another mailing list problem, but I'm not > seeing the original email containing Gaelan's quote anywhere (via searching > my inbox or looking through the mailman archives). I'm curious what > unsavory things I shouldn't be doing today...
It's not you - my mail provider is still sending out dodgy Reply-To headers, so Gaelan accidentally sent eir reply straight to me instead of to the list. Forwarded below. -twg ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Friday, January 17, 2020 4:53 PM, Gaelan Steele <g...@canishe.com> wrote: > Comments inline > > Gaelan > > >> On Jan 17, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey <m...@timon.red> wrote: > > Gaelan wrote: > >> Any reason we don’t just define this within the rules? Isn’t something > >> that should need to change except when offices change, so we can just do > >> this by proposal. > > > > Not particularly, but Aris preferred it the other way and I can't please > > everyone :P > > Fair enough. > > > > >> The proposal pool is only proposals that haven’t started voting, right? > >> I think this lets the Promotor avoid eir proposals being democratic by > >> creating them and starting voting in the same message. > > > > I can't imagine the current Promotor doing that, but you're right that > > it could be a very short length of time in which proposals can be > > democratised. Probably worth extending it until the end of the voting > > period. > > Yeah, not trying to insinuate that the current officers would do anything. > But we do occasionally have unsavory officers (as well as the possibility of > a cultural shift towards taking advantage of office powers), and we’re skills > be prepared for that. > > I’m not sure extending to the end of the voting period is any better, though. > The current H. Asssssor would never abuse it, of course, but still don’t want > it open for abuse. > > > Same thing applies to a proposal's chamber. > > > >> Maybe just make them all untracked and then list it as information that > >> needs to be included when proposals are started/resolved. > > > > Good idea. > > > >> I don’t think there’s any mechanism to remove the chamber once it’s been > >> set, even if the proposal becomes democratic. > > > > Chamber is defined as an "ordinary proposal switch", so democratic > > proposals don't have a chamber at all, even one set to "unset". > > Yep, that works. Thought I checked for that, oops. > > > > > -twg > > > > --- > > > > Title: Interesting Chambers v3.1 > > AI: 3.0 > > Author: // any volunteers? > > Co-authors: Trigon, Aris, Gaelan, G., Jason Cobb, twg > > > > > > Enact a new Rule of Power 2.0, entitled "Ministries", with the following > > text: > > > > A Ministry is an entity defined as such by this rule. Each > > Ministry has a goal. The Ministries of Agora, and their goals, are > > as follows: > > > > A. Ministry of Justice: serve justice to rulebreakers > > B. Ministry of Efficiency: see official duties performed swiftly > > C. Ministry of Legislation: see votes cast on proposals > > D. Ministry of Participation: reward players for achievements > > E. Ministry of Economy: encourage economic activity and contracts > > > > Interest is an office switch, tracked by the ADoP, whose possible > > values are lists of ministries, defaulting to the empty list. The > > ADoP CAN flip an office's interest without objection. > > > > For each item of each office's interest, that office's holder's > > voting strength is increased by 2 on proposals whose chamber is > > set to that ministry. > > > > > > Enact a new Rule of Power 2.0, entitled "Proposal Classes", with the > > following text: > > > > Proposals created since the enactment of this rule have an > > untracked Class switch with possible values ordinary (the default) > > and democratic. > > > > When a proposal with an adoption index greater than 2.0 is > > created, its class becomes democratic. > > > > Any player CAN, with 2 Agoran consent, flip an ordinary proposal's > > class to democratic, provided that it is in the Proposal Pool or > > that there is an Agoran decision on its adoption whose voting > > period has not yet ended. > > > > > > Enact a new Rule of Power 2.0, entitled "Proposal Chambers", with the > > following text: > > > > Chamber is an untracked ordinary proposal switch whose possible > > values include unset (the default) and each of the ministries of > > Agora. > > > > A proposal's chamber SHOULD only be decided by which ministry's > > goals it effects to the greatest degree. // > > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/effect#Verb > > > > Any player CAN, with 2 Agoran consent, flip the chamber of an > > ordinary proposal to any ministry, provided that it is in the > > Proposal Pool or that there is an Agoran decision on its adoption > > whose voting period has not yet ended. > > > > > > Amend Rule 1607, "Distribution", by changing "the text, author, and > > coauthors of the proposal" to "the text, author, coauthors, class and > > (if applicable) chamber of the proposal". > > > > > > Amend Rule 2350, "Proposals", by adding the following to the list: > > > > * A chamber to which the proposal shall be assigned upon its > > creation. > > > > > > Amend Rule 2422, "Voting Strength", by changing "between 0 and 5" to > > "between 0 and 15". > > > > > > // Move the PM's casting vote to the Speaker, since the PM already gets > > // all ministries: > > > > Amend Rule 2423, "First Among Equals", by removing the second paragraph. > > > > Amend Rule 103, "The Speaker", by changing "For an election of the Prime > > Minister, the Speaker" to "The Speaker". > > > > > > Set the ADoP's Interest to [Efficiency]. > > Set the Arbitor's Interest to [Justice]. > > Set the Assessor's Interest to [Efficiency, Legislation]. > > Set the Herald's Interest to [Participation]. > > Set the Prime Minister's Interest to [Justice, Efficiency, Legislation, > > Participation, Economy]. > > Set the Promotor's Interest to [Legislation]. > > Set the Referee's Interest to [Justice]. > > Set the Registrar's Interest to [Efficiency]. > > Set the Rulekeepor's Interest to [Legislation, Participation]. > > Set the Tailor's Interest to [Participation]. > > Set the Treasuror's Interest to [Economy, Economy]. > > > > // Some of the above have been slightly rejigged given the new definition > > // of Participation > > > > /* Treasuror is given Economy twice for balance reasons: > > * - It is a high-complexity office (was given Complexity=3 under > > * Politics), like Assessor and Rulekeepor; this makes the power > > * commensurate to the importance, and there is no ministry it really > > * fits under besides Economy > > * - It bumps up the number of voting increases issued for Economy > > * proposals; all other ministries have 2-3 excluding the PM. > > * Not just trying to give myself votes, I swear :P > > */
