On 6/8/2021 9:01 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, 2021-06-08, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to Buy Strength. >> I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to Buy Strength. >> I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to Buy Strength. >> I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to Buy Strength. >> I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to Buy Strength. > > From the email headers (irrelevant sections replaced by [...]): >> Received: from mxout25.s.uw.edu [...] by vps.qoid.us [...] >> Tue, 08 Jun 2021 15:48:02 +0000 >> Received: from mail-pl1-f200.google.com [...] >> by mxout25.s.uw.edu [...] Tue, 8 Jun 2021 08:45:07 -0700 > > Can anyone remember the precedent on whether a delay at this point in > the chain of email relays delays the time at which the message is > considered to have been sent? This affects whether or not G. had any > Extra Votes on em to spend, because the delay pushed it past the > economic reset. > > (FWIW, I think equitably, this expenditure ought to count as having > been done in time, because the delay was likely unexpected, and outside > G.'s control. I can't remember what the actual precedent says, though, > and there are some issues with "would other players have had an > opportunity to react to this?".) >
I had a feeling you'd bring this one up when I saw you register and saw that your computer delivery was faster than mine :) ! (If people haven't seen this, scroll to the bottom of the by-month list of Agora-Business archives to the June 1993 records, or check it out here: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/1993-June/014163.html ). Someone actually noticed my slow delivery times last week in discord and mentioned it - obviously this is a self-interested statement, but I think current precedent, or game custom at least, is that the date-stamp of hitting the send button is the prima facie time of sending. But I'm not sure there's been a focused CFJ on that since you were a player. Not just for fairness, which is of course one big issue, but also because it's a big burden for officers to hunt for other buried timestamps. If there's evidence of purposeful delay, that might be punishable by No Faking ("the datestamp is a lie") and a one-off judgement that evidence suggests a different timestamp is closer to the actual true sending time. But also, it's in the socially unacceptable category along with sockpuppets? (No Faking idea isn't truly tested because no one's ever been accused of it - it's in the sockpuppet category because we can't really combat it because it's hard to detect, so let's make sure it's understood to be a big social taboo). -G.
