In 97.111 the following one-way transmissions are authorized: (2) Brief transmissions necessary to establishing two-way communications with other stations.
(6) Transmissions necessary to distribute information bulletins. 73, John KD6OZH ----- Original Message ----- From: <kd8...@aol.com> To: <d...@mynatt.biz>; <AMSAT-BB@amsat.org>; "'Bob Bruninga '" <bruni...@usna.edu> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 18:05 UTC Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS Re:Re:dream) > Good afternoon to all - > On the subject of amatuer paging > > While in an email letter to Nigel (sorry I don't remember his call) > I may have just convenced (sp) myself that paging is probably perfectly > legal in the ham bands > > Let's see if I can follow my own logic and then let's get a paging network > up and running :-) > > I am not In front of my computer and not looking at Part 97 - so I maybe > off a bit > > There are a couple of parts of part 97 that applie > > Paging is a digital mode - YES got that covered > POCSAG the format for paging is open and avaiable to anyone who wants to > use it - freely avaible protocal - YES got that covered > > The issue comes when you think as pageing as a one way device - now Part > 97 limits what type of one way transmittions we can do - I think it > specifically say there are three types of one way transmittions we can do. > I can't remember all of them - the two I do remember and I think applie > are trying to make a QSO and the telemetery - weather, local and national > emergancy, dx reports, would fit without question into the telemetery > area - each can be set on its own capcode and every amateur pager can have > those cap codes programmed into it - However > Pagers all have a "personal" capcode - we have a choice of either setting > all of the personal capcodes to the same one - not using personal and not > recording the personal capcodes - OR finding the reasoning why a personal > capcode is legal to use - > We are allowed to make one way transmittions to establish a QSO - as I > said I am not looking at part 97 but as I recall - it doesn't say we have > to establish on the same band or at the same time - just that we can use > it to establish a QSO - > So let's say I know your personal capcode - I send to you making a call up > now "KF8II de KD8BXP pls call on 40meter 7.100 at 2200z" > > I think that would be 100% legal. So it is all about content and not about > the techonolgy of it being a oneway device > > LeRoy, KD8BXP > http://www.HamOhio.com > > Sent on the Now Network from my Sprint® BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Dave" <d...@mynatt.biz> > > Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:28:27 > To: <AMSAT-BB@amsat.org>; 'Bob Bruninga '<bruni...@usna.edu> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS Re: > Re: > dream) > > > Doesn't anyone know someone at the FCC to get a prelim opinion or 'sense > of > the commission' without a rule having to be made? A phone call maybe... > > > Dave > DM78qd // KA0SWT > If it weren't for Philo T. Farnsworth, inventor of television, we'd still > be > eating frozen radio dinners.-- Johnny Carson > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On > Behalf Of Bob Bruninga > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:55 AM > To: Ben Jackson > Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS Re: > Re: > dream) > >>> Using paging devices on Amateur Radio is perfectly legal like any >>> other radio. It all boils down to use. If you use it for setting up >>> a one-way systemm for a pizza delivery service, it is clearly >>> illegal. If you use it as part of your overall local communications >>> network of amateur radio volunters it is just one more tool in the >>> tool box. >> >> Unfortunately, the way Part 97 currently reads is that most pager >> transmissions to an individual are illegal under §97.111(b), as it is >> a "one way" >> transmission that, in most cases, would not qualify under the "legal" >> list. > > Sorry, one can also claim that every transmission is one-way because only > under full duplex conditions is a system truely two-way. There are all > kinds of applications in amateur radio where one side of the link uses > different hardware than the other return side, and once can make all kinds > of arguments as to how much delay is involved between the transmission and > the receiption.. 3 seconds? 10 seconds, a minute? 10 minutes? A day? > When you make a call to a party TO ESTABLISH commmunications it is one > way, > until the person gets his system going and responds. > > In my mind a pager is just another way of making the call. THe intent is > NOT ONE WAY, it is to provide a call-up or a message as part of a CLEARLY > TWO-WAY amateur network. > > There is no reason to nit pick rules. When one is broadcasting (one way) > to > the general public or using amateur radio inappropriately, I think > everyone > can tell when it is blatanly illegal. I just don't see the FCC cares one > nit about some of these debates when any one can see that hams are taking > initiative to better their use of the radio art. > >>> You just have to ignore the curmudgeons who have nothing better to do >>> than nit-pick ways to prevent other hams from developing useful >>> applications of technology. A pager is simply the text-to-user >>> device integrated into the normal local 2-way amateur radio >>> communications system. >> >> The issue is that, according to Part 97, it can't be used beyond QSTs, >> telemetry, or "necessary" >> emergency communications. Could I get away with setting up such a >> system? Likely. Do I foot to stand on when my local OO comes knocking? >> Not so much. > > Some OO's are part of the problem, not the solution... > >>> An amateur satellite would make a great downlink to these pagers. >>> Again, the goal should simply be, any message, any time, anywhere >>> using any device to any user by callsign alone. > > Bob, WB4APR > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? 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