It is to bad that the concentration couldn't be on something clever that would 
earn us some mass for a transponder. Like say some sort antenna that is 
deplorable and would massively increase the data rates.. Like an inflatable. 
Robert WB5MZO

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On May 31, 2012, at 12:46, "i8cvs" <domenico.i8...@tin.it> wrote:

> Hi Stefan, VE4NSA
> 
> I believe that ESA is interested to have a payload placed on the moon only to 
> make important and particular experiments that are impossible to manage to 
> put something into earth orbit.
> 
> The capability of an Amateur Radio transponder to communicate between us or 
> for educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it can be 
> experimented even placing a transponder on earth orbit or on top of a hill.
> 
> As you realize for the moment ESA seems to be not to much interested on 
> satellite amateur radio P3E and scientific probe P5A to Mars,figure out to 
> place an amateur radio transponder on the Moon.
> 
> 73" de 
> 
> i8CVS Domenico
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Stefan Wagener 
>  To: i8cvs 
>  Cc: Amsat - BBs 
>  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:48 PM
>  Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of 
> Interest
> 
> 
>  Yes Domenico, 
> 
> 
>  You are correct. However, that particular ESA proposal is not about putting 
> it into orbit. It is an opportunity to have a payload placed on the moon. 
> Once ESA has a proposal to put something into orbit, by all means. 
> 
> 
>  Hope this helps,
> 
> 
>  Stefan
> 
> 
>  On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:31 AM, i8cvs <domenico.i8...@tin.it> wrote:
> 
>    Hi Stefan, VE4NSA
> 
>    It does not make sense to put a transponder on the Moon just for the simple
>    reason that it's much more, simple and cheap to put it into earth orbit.
> 
>    73" de
> 
>    i8CVS Domenico
> 
> 
>    ----- Original Message -----
>    From: "Stefan Wagener" <wagen...@gmail.com>
>    To: "Amsat - BBs" <amsat-bb@amsat.org>
> 
>    Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:06 AM
>    Subject: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of
>    Interest
> 
> 
> 
>> ESA has posted a very unique opportunity:
>> 
>> http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/HSF_Research/SEMGUMZWD2H_2.html
>> 
>> Wouldn't it be great if the key AMSAT organizations put a proposal
>    together
>> to put a ham radio transponder on the moon. It can have all the cool
>> educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it. Let's
>> encourage the AMSAT leadership teams to move quickly. We can do it, don't
>> you think?
>> 
>> Stefan VE4NSA
> 
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