Hi Joel,

Can you download PacMan from the Android Market? Then type: "adb pull
/data/app-private/com.NamcoNetworks.PacMan.apk" See if you can grab that guy
off. Or if anyone else with a dev phone, if they have time.

Thanks,
Shane

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Joel Knighton <[email protected]>wrote:

> Shane, Although I had not yet attempted to do so, it looks as if your
> question was already answered.  If you need any more information about
> application installation on the ADP1, feel free to email me personally or
> post to the list.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Dianne Hackborn <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> A third party application installed on even a locked G1 can be retrieved
>> from it with a simple "adb pull" (you just need to know its package name) or
>> programmatically by retrieving its information from the PackageManager and
>> opening and reading the .apk file path it tells you.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Shane Isbell <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel,
>>>
>>> Are you able to pull the applications that have been installed through
>>> Android Market off of the device on the dev phone? SAM is using the system
>>> installer, so it will be the same as Android Market.
>>>
>>> We are limiting paid purchases to just the device. Secure for G1, but
>>> interesting to see what the implications are on the dev phone. Web installs,
>>> like through Handango or AndroidGuys, go straight to /sdcard/downloads, so
>>> that method is wide open, and you might as well be giving your application
>>> away.
>>>
>>> As I discussed with Steff, security is not 100%, some people are going to
>>> be knowledgable enough to obtain installed applications, even from Android
>>> Market. At SlideME, we will do our best to protect paid content. If there
>>> are any security issues that people find, let us know and we will address
>>> them. We also have a project that has been under development that I hope
>>> will address some of these additional concerns next month.
>>>
>>> When I was involved in a J2ME provisioning server launch at a US carrier,
>>> a number of years ago, a lot of the same concerns existed. Ultimately the
>>> fraud rate was pretty low and the carrier did quiet well. Eventually, they
>>> implemented things like forward locking, to address the concerns of major
>>> content providers. The decision lies strictly in the expected fraud rate and
>>> how much the developer is willing to pay to protect themselves. That is
>>> largely a personal call. Paying an extra 20-25% to insure that the
>>> application can't be forwarded to another user, when the fraud rate is 5%,
>>> wouldn't justify it. If you are thinking 30% fraud rate it will. But
>>> typically fraud rates are not nearly that high in mobile. Most people aren't
>>> motivated enough and wouldn't trust an app from an unknown source. People
>>> really do pay for applications in mobile.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Shane
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Joel Knighton 
>>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> What's this about Android Market not being available on developer
>>>> phones?  Based on the developer phone sitting next to me, I'm going to have
>>>> to say that's just not true.  Android Market is definitely available on
>>>> developer phones.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Michael MacDonald <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe applications are written to a directory on the phone that is
>>>>> not visible to normal users (via unix permissions).  If you have a
>>>>> developer phone (which gives you root access) you could access it.
>>>>> I think that's oneof the reasons Android Market is not available on
>>>>> the developer phones.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what SlideMe's policy is, but I think in general if you
>>>>> make your application installer available to people who have root
>>>>> access
>>>>> to their phones,they will be able to get the .apk and potentially make
>>>>> it available to anyone with the SDK to install.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steff wrote:
>>>>> > Hi
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I am thing about releasing my application on SlideMe. I have talked
>>>>> to
>>>>> > someone with SlideMe, and they tell me that priced application is
>>>>> just
>>>>> > installed on the device itself. I asked them how they prevent people
>>>>> > from just copying the application to another phone - for instance
>>>>> > using some filebrowser app for Andoid. They tell me that the
>>>>> > applications are stored as "private" and that they cannot be copied,
>>>>> > but I dont quit understand. Is there some feature in Android letting
>>>>> > applications (for instance SlideMe's SAM), copy files to the device,
>>>>> > files that cannot be copied, but can be loaded to run?
>>>>> > If yes, please direct me to some documentation/explanation of that
>>>>> > feature!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Regards, Per Steffensen
>>>>> > >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Joel Knighton
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dianne Hackborn
>> Android framework engineer
>> [email protected]
>>
>> Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to
>> provide private support.  All such questions should be posted on public
>> forums, where I and others can see and answer them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Joel Knighton
>
> >
>

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