As Dianne mentioned, PacMan doesn't work.  You actually can't seem to
download it on the ADP1 anyway.  However, I could retrieve the .apk of other
applications downloaded from the Android Market.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Shane Isbell <shane.isb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Joel,
>
> Can you download PacMan from the Android Market? Then type: "adb pull
> /data/app-private/com.NamcoNetworks.PacMan.apk" See if you can grab that guy
> off. Or if anyone else with a dev phone, if they have time.
>
> Thanks,
> Shane
>
>   On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Joel Knighton 
> <joel.knigh...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Shane,
>> Although I had not yet attempted to do so, it looks as if your question
>> was already answered.  If you need any more information about application
>> installation on the ADP1, feel free to email me personally or post to the
>> list.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Dianne Hackborn <hack...@android.com>wrote:
>>
>>> A third party application installed on even a locked G1 can be retrieved
>>> from it with a simple "adb pull" (you just need to know its package name) or
>>> programmatically by retrieving its information from the PackageManager and
>>> opening and reading the .apk file path it tells you.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Shane Isbell <shane.isb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Joel,
>>>>
>>>> Are you able to pull the applications that have been installed through
>>>> Android Market off of the device on the dev phone? SAM is using the system
>>>> installer, so it will be the same as Android Market.
>>>>
>>>> We are limiting paid purchases to just the device. Secure for G1, but
>>>> interesting to see what the implications are on the dev phone. Web 
>>>> installs,
>>>> like through Handango or AndroidGuys, go straight to /sdcard/downloads, so
>>>> that method is wide open, and you might as well be giving your application
>>>> away.
>>>>
>>>> As I discussed with Steff, security is not 100%, some people are going
>>>> to be knowledgable enough to obtain installed applications, even from
>>>> Android Market. At SlideME, we will do our best to protect paid content. If
>>>> there are any security issues that people find, let us know and we will
>>>> address them. We also have a project that has been under development that I
>>>> hope will address some of these additional concerns next month.
>>>>
>>>> When I was involved in a J2ME provisioning server launch at a US
>>>> carrier, a number of years ago, a lot of the same concerns existed.
>>>> Ultimately the fraud rate was pretty low and the carrier did quiet well.
>>>> Eventually, they implemented things like forward locking, to address the
>>>> concerns of major content providers. The decision lies strictly in the
>>>> expected fraud rate and how much the developer is willing to pay to protect
>>>> themselves. That is largely a personal call. Paying an extra 20-25% to
>>>> insure that the application can't be forwarded to another user, when the
>>>> fraud rate is 5%, wouldn't justify it. If you are thinking 30% fraud rate 
>>>> it
>>>> will. But typically fraud rates are not nearly that high in mobile. Most
>>>> people aren't motivated enough and wouldn't trust an app from an unknown
>>>> source. People really do pay for applications in mobile.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Shane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Joel Knighton <joel.knigh...@gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What's this about Android Market not being available on developer
>>>>> phones?  Based on the developer phone sitting next to me, I'm going to 
>>>>> have
>>>>> to say that's just not true.  Android Market is definitely available on
>>>>> developer phones.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Michael MacDonald <
>>>>> googlec...@antlersoft.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe applications are written to a directory on the phone that is
>>>>>> not visible to normal users (via unix permissions).  If you have a
>>>>>> developer phone (which gives you root access) you could access it.
>>>>>> I think that's oneof the reasons Android Market is not available on
>>>>>> the developer phones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know what SlideMe's policy is, but I think in general if you
>>>>>> make your application installer available to people who have root
>>>>>> access
>>>>>> to their phones,they will be able to get the .apk and potentially make
>>>>>> it available to anyone with the SDK to install.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steff wrote:
>>>>>> > Hi
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I am thing about releasing my application on SlideMe. I have talked
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> > someone with SlideMe, and they tell me that priced application is
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> > installed on the device itself. I asked them how they prevent people
>>>>>> > from just copying the application to another phone - for instance
>>>>>> > using some filebrowser app for Andoid. They tell me that the
>>>>>> > applications are stored as "private" and that they cannot be copied,
>>>>>> > but I dont quit understand. Is there some feature in Android letting
>>>>>> > applications (for instance SlideMe's SAM), copy files to the device,
>>>>>> > files that cannot be copied, but can be loaded to run?
>>>>>> > If yes, please direct me to some documentation/explanation of that
>>>>>> > feature!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Regards, Per Steffensen
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Joel Knighton
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dianne Hackborn
>>> Android framework engineer
>>> hack...@android.com
>>>
>>> Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to
>>> provide private support.  All such questions should be posted on public
>>> forums, where I and others can see and answer them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Joel Knighton
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>


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