Well, I would love to see a roadmap and get SDKs in my hand before it is rolled out to the phones, but I agree to what is said in the article.
At least for my app it doesn't really matter all that much what I do, the download numbers seem to correlate much closer to actual handset sales than anything else. When Android was launched in France/Spain, when the Magic came out, when Droid came out, every time I saw a huge spike in my download numbers. In particular with the release of the Droid that really skyrocketed those numbers. And that my own marketing is so ineffective has an upside: I can just skip it and invest the time in the app. That way the ratings and market placement go up and with the next wave of sales I am on board. Everybody wins. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: > Very Enlightening..... There are three paragraphs which to me make it > sounds like the Google mentality is "If we ship it developers will come" as > opposed to a "If we can help developers we will" approach. > > The most telling quote was "It can be a little hard for developers, and > sometimes, they have to adapt,", which sounds very much like Google expect > us to fit in with them as opposed to trying to help us do what we want. > > Al. > -- > > * Looking for Android Apps? - Try http://andappstore.com/ * > > ====== > Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the company > number 6741909. > > The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's > subsidiaries. > > On 8 Jan 2010, at 02:36, gjs wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > An interesting read here - > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/07/dibona_on_android/ > > > > ... > > > > Google open source guru Chris DiBona has acknowledged that the > > company's freewheeling approach to building a mobile operating system > > can cause a few headaches for developers, with unfamiliar versions of > > its Android OS appearing on new phones with little warning. But, he > > says, that's not developers' main concern - nor Google's. > > > > "It can be a little hard for developers, and sometimes, they have to > > adapt," DiBona said Wednesday morning during a taping the Ziff-Davis > > online TV show Cranky Geeks. Then DiBona held up his own Android phone > > - a new Nexus One, natch. > > > > "This is going to sound really cynical, but the only thing that really > > matters is how many of these we ship - how many Android phones. There > > is a linear relationship between the number of phones you ship and the > > number of developers." > > > > Developers are willing to tweak their apps for different devices, the > > thinking goes, as long as they can reach a wider audience. "As we ship > > more phones, there will be more apps. That's it," DiBona says. > > > > ... > > > > But unlike Chu, DiBona acknowledges that Google could give developers > > more warning about what's on the way from new versions of the OS. "We > > could do better," he told The Reg, when asked about developer > > roadmaps. > > > > ... > > > > "The question is how we can do it in such a way that we can [limit] > > additional work for developers and give them the right return on > > investment. We're doing everything we can in the underlying platform, > > in the SDK, and also in the Android Marketplace to minimize that > > work." > > > > But DiBona told us that Google isn't doing everything it can do. > > Android has no governance model. There's no roadmap telling developers > > what they can expect down the time. And when we asked about a roadmap, > > he was honest - and we praise him for it. "We could do better," he > > said. > > > > ... > > > > Ok then, please ship the N1 worldwide asap, please make it available > > as a DEV phone worldwide asap, please release sdk V2.1 worldwide asap, > > that would be doing better. > > > > And my ongoing request - please make the Marketplace open for paid > > apps from all developers and for all consumers worldwide asap. > > > > Thanks > > > > Regards > > > > On Jan 8, 4:35 am, Romain Guy <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I understand your concern but this is the exact same issue that you > >> face when you do desktop development. The variety of display > >> technologies, the variety of settings they use and the variety of > >> color profiles they use makes it pretty much impossible to get the > >> same result everywhere. Trust me, I run into this issue every day when > >> I process and publish photos :) > >> > >> Note that the display technology on phones is not the only factor. All > >> displays are not created equal and use a slightly different gamma, or > >> white balance, or the user have different brightness/backlight > >> settings, or they're using the phone outdoor, or in a very dark > >> environment, etc. I think you are trying to create an issue where > >> there's none. Like I said, until all phone displays come calibrated > >> with proper color profiles (and Android and all of its libraries > >> support colors management), you're going to have different colors > >> across devices (and sometimes on a same device if all units are not > >> produced with the same part for the display.) > >> > >> BTW, remember that Samsung shipped the Galaxy with an AMOLED display too > ;-) > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Al Sutton <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> That's my personal plan :). > >> > >>> My main concern with the bigger picture though is that we may find some > developers who only use a Nexus One for testing (because of its' association > with the Google brand) and end up delivering games and apps with colours > that looked washed out on pretty much every other Android device. > >> > >>> Al. > >>> -- > >> > >>> * Looking for Android Apps? - Tryhttp://andappstore.com/* > >> > >>> ====== > >>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the company > number 6741909. > >> > >>> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's > subsidiaries. > >> > >>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:03, Romain Guy wrote: > >> > >>>> If you don't like the Nexus One or don't want one, don't get one. > >>>> That's as simple as that :) > >> > >>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Al Sutton <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>> Your speculation sounds very much like peoples feelings for the ADP1 > when it was launched, but it seems to also be stuck at 1.6 for now :). > >> > >>>>> I'm not denying there are some nice features in the Nexus One (such > as 802.11n support), and some which may offer technical benefits (such as > the AMOLED screen), but, as a consumer 'phone, it's not really got anything > significant enough that makes me want to get one in for testing and > development. In fact, given the comments about the AMOLED screen I'd > probably keep away from it to avoid producing UIs which only look good on it > and looked washed out to users on most of the other Android devices. > >> > >>>>> Al. > >>>>> -- > >> > >>>>> * Looking for Android Apps? - Tryhttp://andappstore.com/* > >> > >>>>> ====== > >>>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the > company number 6741909. > >> > >>>>> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's > subsidiaries. > >> > >>>>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 10:38, gjs wrote: > >> > >>>>>> Hi, > >> > >>>>>> I think it is a bit premature to guess when X10 might get to V2.1. > But > >>>>>> obvious that all the 'newer' oems will quickly make such promises. > >> > >>>>>> My concerns are based on the talk of HTC Hero etc getting to V2.0 ( > or > >>>>>> V1.6 ) which has been promised for some months but still nothing > >>>>>> actual yet. > >> > >>>>>> OLED seems like a better UX from what Romain & Dianne have said as > >>>>>> well, less power 2. > >> > >>>>>> <speculation> > >> > >>>>>> But a big factor, I' m just guessing, is that Nexus One will have > >>>>>> latest and greatest 'reference' versions of android OTA'd 1st by > >>>>>> Google, b4 ALL others and will always be 'THE Google Experience' > >>>>>> untainted by the tweaks? of the oem's and the (damn) carriers. > >> > >>>>>> (tmobile G1 send this txt msg every hour - 01-07 20:12:54.042: INFO/ > >>>>>> MyFaves(972): sending msg: > >>>>>> > 163582790116649600010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 > 00000 > >>>>>> to 453 - fortunately it's benign for me) > >> > >>>>>> Leveraging this 'defacto reference' situation will help Google keep > >>>>>> the oem's/carriers in line, which I think will help the consumer to > >>>>>> have a more consistent Android (Google) UX and reduce the > >>>>>> fragmentation oem's/carriers just can't resist... > >> > >>>>>> It is very disheartening reading the stories from consumers in Asia > >>>>>> etc buying an 'android' phone outright/unlocked and then finding its > >>>>>> got NO Google Market App, they feel ripped off and lay some blame > for > >>>>>> this at Google, misguided, misled or otherwise. There's another > future > >>>>>> iPhone user for these sorry tales, or someone else forced down the > >>>>>> rooted/risky/bricked/pirated paths when all they wanted/expected was > >>>>>> access to the Market apps... > >> > >>>>>> </speculation> > >> > >>>>>> Regards > >> > >>>>>> On Jan 7, 7:44 pm, Romain Guy <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> I've honestly never had trouble using a Nexus One outdoor. The > colors > >>>>>>> are indeed more saturated than on a G1 for instance, but the colors > >>>>>>> are much much closer to what you see on a desktop monitor. > >> > >>>>>>> I spent a lot of time tweaking the colors of the wallpapers for G1 > and > >>>>>>> Sapphire and I had to boost their saturation by up to 50% to get > >>>>>>> something that didn't look washed out. On Nexus One I didn't have > to > >>>>>>> do anything to get something very close to the "original" image on > a > >>>>>>> calibrated Dell monitor. > >> > >>>>>>> The "issue" reported by Engadget is more about content production > than > >>>>>>> the display itself: content produced for previous displays might > have > >>>>>>> been over-saturated to compensate the lack of faithful color > >>>>>>> reproduction, which thus produces over-saturated (at least that's > how > >>>>>>> it's perceived) images on Nexus One. > >> > >>>>>>> The display itself is not necessarily to blame. Also, I wish we had > >>>>>>> support for color profiles to level the differences across devices > :) > >> > >>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Al Sutton <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>>>> An AMOLED screen isn't necessarily better. There are reports of > OLED being difficult to read outdoors and having over bright colour > reproduction (both of which Engadget have reported as seeing on the Nexus > One -http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/nexus-one-review/), so the screen > may not be to your liking. > >> > >>>>>>>> So from your list the only concrete advantage is a software one > (i.e. the Android version) which SE could address with an update (given the > release date I'd say it's a reasonable assumption they will), but the Nexus > Ones' downsides are hardware which can't be fixed unless you get a new > 'phone. > >> > >>>>>>>> Al. > >>>>>>>> -- > >> > >>>>>>>> * Looking for Android Apps? - Tryhttp://andappstore.com/* > >> > >>>>>>>> ====== > >>>>>>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the > company number 6741909. > >> > >>>>>>>> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's > subsidiaries. > >> > >>>>>>>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 04:32, gjs wrote: > >> > >>>>>>>>> Hi, > >> > >>>>>>>>>> I'm just wondering, what do people see as the appeal of the > Nexus One? > >> > >>>>>>>>> A developer perspective from Australia, currently with t-mobile > G1 & > >>>>>>>>> V1.6 (Optus 3g carrier). > >> > >>>>>>>>> For me it has been a tossup between waiting for Sony X10 and > Nexus One > >>>>>>>>> - > >> > >>>>>>>>> Sony X10: 8mp camera +, 854x480 +, TFT -, V1.6 - > >> > >>>>>>>>> Nexus One: 5mp camera -, 800x480 +, OLED +, V2.1 + > >> > >>>>>>>>> Droid is not an option for me as it is CDMA (only I think) and I > do > >>>>>>>>> wish to switch carriers. ( I think cdma is s u x anyway ) > >> > >>>>>>>>> Nexus One is right now (for some), Sony X10 is still to come. > >> > >>>>>>>>> So with both G1 & N1 this spans more current android versions, I > could > >>>>>>>>> test across V1.6 and V2.1 ( with other access to V1.5 on a Hero ) > >> > >>>>>>>>> Make sense ? ( and assuming V2.1 sdk is released soonish ) > >> > >>>>>>>>> Regards > >> > >>>>>>>>> On Jan 7, 10:52 am, Josh Steiner <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> Considering that its firmware is replaceable, for all intents > and purposes > >>>>>>>>>> this *is* the dev phone 3. What else would you need? > >> > >>>>>>>>>> -Josh > >> > >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:22 AM, Zsolt Babak < > [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Al, > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I don't see the point either. It is a good and fast phone, > however > >>>>>>>>>>> that's all I can say about it. > >>>>>>>>>>> If it'd become the ADP3 I'd consider it, but as of today I'd > rather go > >>>>>>>>>>> for a Droid/Milestone for normal consumer use. > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> The hardware is good, but not outstandingly good, and that's > true for > >>>>>>>>>>> Android 2.1 too. > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happier with the AOSP release of 2.1 in full... > >>>>>>>>>>> I'm really beginning to dislike this "new android release for a > new > >>>>>>>>>>> device only, and after that we start releasing some of the code > in the > >>>>>>>>>>> future as opensource", am I the only one ? > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 10:35 am, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just wondering, what do people see as the appeal of the > Nexus One? > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> After seeing the presentation reports I didn't find anything > that made me > >>>>>>>>>>> go "Oh, wow". Most key features seemed like software updates > which could be > >>>>>>>>>>> made available on other devices, and as for the 'phone itself, > I didn't see > >>>>>>>>>>> anything that really set the world on fire. > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Did I miss something? > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Al.-- > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> * Looking for Android Apps? - Tryhttp://andappstore.com/* > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ====== > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with > the company > >>>>>>>>>>> number 6741909. > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and > >>>>>>>>>>> not necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's > >> > >> ... > >> > >> read more ยป > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Android Discuss" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<android-discuss%[email protected]> > . > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=en. > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Android Discuss" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<android-discuss%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=en. > > > >--
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