On 04/10/16, 7:19 PM, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of ox" <anti-abuse-wg-boun...@ripe.net on behalf of an...@ox.co.za> wrote:
> 1. many people on this list has no idea what constitutes Internet abuse That is painfully clear to me. Your Hetzner example was about DMCA (or whatever the German equivalent is) enforcement which is not normally classified as internet abuse handling, that is a separate legal process that each ISP handles per the advice of their legal team. It is peripheral to various abuse teams’ work so that set best practice is evolving in that direction, but that is entirely moot in this context. The RIPE region has several pockets of badness that are related to issues other than copyright infringement, on which there is broad consensus in ISP acceptable use policy and national law. Your periodically trying to steer the discussion away into banalities about the minutiae of a catchall definition of internet abuse, let alone agricultural metaphors, is, to use another such metaphor, asinine. I don’t expect any significant or useful action from this group – not since most every “internet name” in the RIPE region just happened to be in the room during an AOB session to remove Richard Cox from his role. There just isn’t any will to disturb a comfortable status quo, and a lot of fautuous arguments against it from several people with zero background in carrier grade internet abuse mitigation (rather than databases, whois, routing and such), and I get that. --srs
