Hello, @Sven Olaf: Please stop using this type of offensive language! This is a public mailinglist and not a place for you to rant and attack in the way you are at the moment.
So step back for a minute, take a deep breath and calm down! And if you feel you can send a message without using this type of language, feel free to do so, otherwise stay away! If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me directly. Thanks, Tobias -- RIPE Anti Abuse Working Group Co-Chair On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:46 PM, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker < sv...@xs4all.nl> wrote: > btw it would be of great assistance in this matter if transit carriers, > simply, only HAD asn's and no ip prefixes that can be used as a > blackmailing vector. don't quite see why everyone combines the 'isp' part > with the 'transit providing' part of their operations. parties that provide > transit, have no need for ip space (bgp sessions are better on 10.0.0.0/8 > anyway, prevents attack from 'outside'). if there are no ip's there is > nothing idiots like spamhaus (so far they are the only ones) can > 'blacklist' to 'build up pressure' to breach contracts. so just split up > those operations. > > On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:32, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: > > customer wants to send packets from ip A to ip b... did they arrive? -> > yes. we did our job. no -> we did not do our job. i can't quite see why we > would even need to know what 'smtp' is. nor any of the other obscure shit > protocols out there. > > On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:30, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: > > content. is NEVER. network-related-abuse. > > 'making more use of a mail protocol that in every other way is used as > intended' is also not 'network-related-abuse' in fact it's not abuse at > all. it's like tv advertisements. > > 'malware and virusses' all simply exploit the same old services 'provided' > by crappy windows malware, which should get some import restrictions, and > the problem is solved ay. it's windows itself that is the malware there... > > 'phishing'... so you're saying your bank login procedure sucks balls > and/or you think 16 numbers on the front and 3 top secret ones on the back > of a plastic card people show in every restaurant they go to are 'security' > - go fix your own crap and stop bothering us, we forward -packets-. we > don't have time to hunt ghosts for your broken financial services. > > 'announcing the whole god damn internet split up into /24s'.. - yes .. > that's 'abuse'. lol. > > and either way... if someone doesn't like what someone else is doing they > can take them to the -appropriate- courts (of the other party) and try to > get them to stop... blackmailing the sales department of the transit > carriers of their supplier of their supplier of their supplier, will only > make them change isps, cause financial loss (or gains: setup fees), etc. > > so far all spamhaus has ever established is: > > - a whole lot of unroutable/unsellable/unusable ipv4 'burned' ranges. > > - smtp is no longer peer to peer (their bashing on open relays) > > - smtp is no longer real time (graylisting) > > - smtp is no longer reliable (with over 20 million ip addresses listed > despite there only being 300k mailservers in the world, no wonder!) > > so instead of stopping spam, they managed to kill of smtp. congratulations. > > everyone now uses skype and facebook (which are real-time and do have > friends-lists) lolol. you have succeeded in bringing microsoft and facebook > users to spy on. well done. > > if smtp is 'getting less' that is only because it has no users left. > people only start it up to read ripe mailinglists (lol) or sign up for > habbo hotel. FACT. lol. > > none of our customers has ever sent UCE from our networks... because... > ever since 2004... we have simply blocked port 25... smtp only causes > -shit- and it -delivers shit- (abusemail and 'legal' threats about shit > that is not our problem). we sure as hell have some customers that cause > 'shit' but they usually do it in somewhat more profitable markets than > sending 'spam' and most definately can buy a tv station or 2 to do their > advertisements on. tyvm spamhaus. lol. > > where this 'mytical' spammer that can pay our 1000-1500 euros per month > per server would come from, i don't know, i certainly have never met any... > i tried to invoice one 60k once and he backed off already. poor spammers. > they're like child porn people. can't pay for anything, so not an urgent > issue at all. > > our customers frequently have the entire fucking cia rolling over their > doorstep and if it's not them its the god damn copyright mafia. slightly > different budgetarial picture there. shit that -is- worth the trouble. > > now, please take your shitty nagging about 'abuse' of your crappy silly > old smtp protocol, which doesn't even -originate- from our networks in the > first fucking place, and stick it where the sun doesn't shine... as for > malware... windows is the malware there... it facilitates all the programs > residing on top of the same old 1990s badly implemented os/2 ripoff crap. > so basically call mickeysoft and ask them to fix the bugs they all exploit, > or call the european commission and impose trade bans against microsoft. > simple enough. > > On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:13, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: > > advertising the sale of : viagra, sex slaves, ak47s, porn of any kind, > human trafficing services, specific animals, cocain, data obtained through > espionage, encryption technology, vpns, gay propaganda, military > propaganda, etc is subject to applicable local law (if any, and if there is > none, it's perfectly fine)... not 'spamhaus policies' as spamhaus is not > supposed to be 'the internet government'. even if they think they should be. > > if the uk wants to keep certain products from entering 'their' territory > (and in doing so limit the freedom of their own stakeholders/tax payers) > that is up to them others choose not to work against their own > stakeholders/tax payers that way. they have a customs department to keep > said products outside. can't tell others not to produce or sell or > advertise it. setting up dirty front operations like 'spamhaus' to lure > naive nerds into the illusion that they would be 'fighting spam' is a very > nasty thing to do. geo-political wise and business wise. > > now... in thailand porn is illegal... so... let's disconnect all porn > sites because thailand wants us to, oh but wait, thailand doesn't have a > 'spamhaus' thinking they rule the entire internet through means of > blackmail and calling people 'spammers' or 'spam supporters'. > > what also works, besides blackmailing with committing computer sabotage > against the sales department of suppliers of suppliers of suppliers of the > publisher of a website, are: assassins, commandos, carpet bombing, agent > orange. etc... all of which should be deployed against spamhaus if you ask > me. :P but a nullroute would suffice. lol. after all bgp is an 'advisory' > to 'voluntary peers' and 'we don't block anything' as they themselves > always say. > > On 30 ينا, 2017 ص 11:29, Esa Laitinen wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker < > sv...@xs4all.nl> wrote: > >> also it's quite vague that when some mossadis rent servers and run an >> espionage botnet on it (which we happily intercept ourselves ofcourse) - >> spamhaus somehow magically never lists -that-.. just >> >> >> > Looking at the amusing rant of Sven Olaf, it seems that the listing works! > > Keep up the good work, spamhaus et al! > > esa > > > > > >
