On 17/04/2020 09:55, Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg wrote:
Serge,
Your post brought a smile to my face.
When bank robber Willie Sutton was asked "why do you rob banks?" he
answered "because that is where the money is".
So too with the Internet. Criminals and miscreants (a term coined and
favored by Team Cymru), have long ago realized that Internet resources
are worth money and where else can you be close to these resources than
inside any RIR. Some events make it to the news and probably many
others will never see the light of day.
Ronald's overly long tomes with a tone I disapprove of yet the content I
do approve of, are scoffed at by many and yet I am reminded of Danish
author Hans Christian Andersen tale "The Emperor's New Clothes". And we
are the emperor.
I have long ago stopped trying to make the Internet a safer place. Not
gonna happen. I protect my resources as best I can. I protect my
little pond as best I can.
A smile appears on my face when I realize there are still naive and
idealistic people out there who still think they can make a difference.
Not gonna happen.
Regards,
Hank
Hello List
I've been, mostly passive, on this list for quite a while. I must say we
really excel in terms of abusing each other. And I agree with Ronald, we
seem to fail coming forward with even partial solutions to prevent
abuse. I am disappointed by the tone on this list. One can, and should
disagree on topics, but one should not loose the common goal, reduce
abuse in our case. I fear we are doing just that.
Maybe the striving for a perfect solution, that has no side effects is
not the right approach. Criminals don't mind side effects, and maybe
rather than avoiding them we should try to control and minimize them.
While I'm not the right person to determine what topics are appropriate
for the list, I don't see any harm in asking people to maybe consider
viable candidates for board positions. We can discuss the tone. This
group repeatedly pointed out the importance of a bottom up, democratic
governance structure for RIPE. I'd argue, that a good selection of
candidates for such a position is the basis for this.
I would hope for the abuse WG to become a little more pragmatic and
positive thinking when trying to come up with solutions to fight abuse.
"Divide and conquer" is a concept criminals thrive on too.
Having said that, I wish everyone good health and and a hopefully
enjoyable weekend.
Best
Serge
