Hi Alessandro,
El 8/5/20 20:18, "anti-abuse-wg en nombre de Alessandro Vesely"
<anti-abuse-wg-boun...@ripe.net en nombre de ves...@tana.it> escribió:
On Fri 08/May/2020 13:28:10 +0200 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
wrote:
> Hi Alessandro,
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> As I've indicated already several times (and not just in this
discussion), all the RIRs have forms or other methods to escalate any issues.
>
> The proposal is only changing "let's have stats".
I read:
The RIPE NCC will validate the “abuse-mailbox:” attribute at least
annually. Where the attribute is deemed incorrect, it will follow up in
compliance with relevant RIPE Policies and RIPE NCC procedures.
https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2019-04
The anonymized statistics is mentioned afterward. It seems to result from
community escalation and reporting, rather than from the abuse-mailbox
validation itself. By my proposal, instead, the output of the validation
process is borne out when the abuse address is removed from the database
—and
the corresponding IP ranges duly transmitted.
[Jordi] Yes, RIPE provide stats for many things and probably this text is not
really needed, but if we want to make sure to have this specific set of stats,
*we need the text*. If we try to reach consensus in what I'm interpreting from
your last half of the paragraph, it is very difficult to get consensus, and
reclaiming resources must be only done in my opinion, in extreme cases. What
cases are already described in https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-716,
not specific to abuse cases.
Best
Ale
> El 4/5/20 12:29, "anti-abuse-wg en nombre de Alessandro Vesely"
<anti-abuse-wg-boun...@ripe.net en nombre de ves...@tana.it> escribió:
>
> Hi,
>
> On 29/04/2020 13:22, Gert Doering wrote:
> >
> > If people *want* to handle abuse reports, they do so today already
> > (and if they mess up their mail reception, the NCC will check this
today
> > already, and let them know).
> >
> > If people *do not want* to handle abuse reports, this proposal will
not
> > make them.
>
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> The above is unquestionable truth. There is a grey area, where a
mailbox
> doesn't work because of misconfiguration, mailbox full, or similar
issues.
> Validation might help in those cases.
>
> However, statements like:
>
> The “abuse-c:” will be mandatory for all aut-nums
>
> are in conflict with the unquestionable truth quoted above. Please,
allow
> abuse-c to be empty! I have to keep a dont-send list of
non-responding abuse
> addresses. Some 70% of the complaints I would have sent hit that
list. It
> would be more practical to have an empty abuse-c entry in the first
place.
>
> In addition, having networks without abuse addresses makes them more
easily
> identifiable. RIPE NCC could compile the relevant IP addresses into
an easily
> usable format, for example one readable by rbldns. Rather than
following-up
> and threatening resource revocation, upon repeated validation
failures, the
> RIPE NCC should just remove the non-working abuse-c entry, thereby
adding the
> relevant IP addresses to the "no-complaints" list.
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> A web form to report bouncing abuse addresses would be useful too.
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> Best
> Ale
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