Tobias, Could you please clarify what the intent was of this email? I should probably have started by asking this but to me it seems so much like marketing.
-Cynthia On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 6:23 PM Cynthia Revström <m...@cynthia.re> wrote: > It is possible but I highly doubt it. > > > We at Abusix run Abuse Desk for dozens of Service Providers of any size > and any type of product. From Cloud to DC-Services, Cable, and so on. > > That sounds so much like marketing and irrelevant if it wasn't. > Also if it wasn't marketing, why would he ask for me to schedule a video > call? > > Once again I could be wrong, and if I am, I am sorry, but I can't see how > this isn't marketing. > > -Cynthia > > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 6:18 PM Volker Greimann <vgreim...@key-systems.net> > wrote: > >> I think you totally misread his mail. It reads to me as a proposal to >> help you understand the processes used by many providers, not as a sales >> pitch. >> >> Best, >> -- >> Volker A. 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If you have received this email in >> error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete this >> email with any files that may be attached. >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 6:12 PM Cynthia Revström via anti-abuse-wg < >> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> (intro) >>> Tobias Knecht sent me an email (which this is a reply to) abusing his >>> position as co-chair in order to try to sell me services based on what I >>> said on a mailing list. >>> >>> (mainly towards Tobias) >>> Replying to me based on a mailing list post in order to try to sell me >>> services is bad enough. >>> To do it as a co-chair and then to use the fact that you are co-chair as >>> a selling point is much worse. >>> >>> I find this utterly appalling behaviour from a co-chair of a working >>> group, I didn't reach out to you, you weren't even in the thread at all. >>> >>> also this: >>> > As a Co-Chair I didn't want to jump into the mix on the mailing list, >>> that's why I'm reaching out to you directly. >>> >>> I mean that is sort of the point of co-chairs generally speaking but >>> yeah it is going to look bad if you are trying to sell something, because >>> it is bad. >>> >>> (mainly towards chair team and aa-wg chairs) >>> A co-chair of a working group should absolutely be warned or removed if >>> they abuse their position to sell their services. >>> >>> I also somehow doubt that this is the first time, I could be wrong, but >>> idk why this would be the first time. >>> >>> I hate it when for example Cogent sends me emails trying to sell me >>> services despite me never having contacted them (outside of replying saying >>> I am not interested). >>> But this is more like if the Cogent sales people were co-chairs of the >>> db-wg. >>> >>> Also with a subject like "RIPE AA-WG discussion" I initially thought it >>> was actually about something I said or whatever, in his role as co-chair, >>> it didn't appear like it was a sales email. >>> >>> I have also CC'd the aa-wg and ripe list as this is too appalling to be >>> held private. >>> >>> -Cynthia >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 5:50 PM Tobias Knecht <t...@abusix.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Cynthia, >>>> >>>> my name is Tobias. 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