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The Afghan women didn't think so. These were not necessarily "Western" values. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK > --------------------------- > > > > <<<<He'd be saying that that government gave women > freedom, educated the children, was trying to bring > Afghanistan out > of the > 7th century.>>>> > > > Dear Heather, > > the Afghan Islamist reenactment of the 7th century > is something > to oppose, but, imposing western values, for the > sake of bringing a > country out of the 7th century, is not > *necessarily* a good thing. > > David O Q > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12 Jan 02, at 0:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK > > --------------------------- > > > > Richard, > > They (before-Gorbachev leaders in the USSR) were > for socialism. Can you > > imagine them all taking money today from the > bourgeiosie and saying nothing > > about the death of socialism in the USSR? I guess > I can't. > > > > I am passionately on the side of the working class > around the world. Those > > who oppose it or who lend themselves to defending > capitalism are the enemies > > of the children of the world, they are the enemies > of freedom and dignity. > > > > I cannot imagine anyone who I respect working > consciously for the foundations > > and think tanks taking blood money to live and > "work," as Michial Gorbachev > > does. He is a class enemy. If he were not, he'd be > criticising everything; > > poverty, the wars in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, the > World Bank, the IMF, WTO. > > > > He's be organizing Russians to take back their > nation by force of arms from > > the felons who are destroying it. He's be in the > streets of Moscow and (I > > hate this name) St. Petersberg (Leningrad, for > goodness sake, LENINGRAD!!), > > with the workers, on strike, looting the food > stores, defying authorities. > > Organizing, fighting, agitating. > > > > He'd be telling the world that the USSR came to > the aid of the Marxist > > government in Afghanistan because the US and > Pakistan was supporting the > > feudal brutal Mujahadeen. He'd be saying that that > government gave women > > freedom, educated the children, was trying to > bring Afghanistan out of the > > 7th century. And the US, in its most expensive CIA > contra war EVER destroyed > > it.supporting the Taliban and the Northern > alliance and the heroin trade. > > Gorbachev would talk truth. Silence. he is silent. > > > > > I don't know who you are, Richard, but you must > remember the part in John > > Reed's Ten Days that Shook the World in which a > revolutionary soldier stopped > > a bourgeois group from promenading across a bridge > and walking past the > > building that housed the Bolshevik government. > When they asked to pass, he > > refused them, saying that either you were with the > proleatiat or the > > bourgeoisie, and the only people who could pass > were with the proletariat. > > > > Or do you know the US labor song, Which Side Are > you On? > > > > That is what this is about. This isn't about > whether you think it was nice to > > have Glastnost or Peristroika, it is about how > these policies helped lead to > > the destruction of the USSR and led to the > wholesale death of the Soviet > > people. And the end of revoulionary movements > everywhere. > > > > This temporary cessation of the foward movement of > the working class will > > have cost several hundred million lives around the > globe by the time the > > workers of the world finally organize revolution. > > > > Under socialism ,one can't afford to have > well-intentioned policies. One must > > fight agaisnt bourgeois tendencies and resist the > imperialists who are always > > going to try to annihilate socialism. > > > > That cretin Fukayama talked about an end to > histroy. The Enlightenment was > > stopped. Capitalism won, all was ducky for the > rich. It was not; but in the > > 1980s and 1990s capitalism spread around the world > like a terrible scourge > > and the revolutionary immune system that was found > WHILE THE USSR WAS STILL > > EXTANT was destroyed. > > > > Now that the capitalist system is globally > tanking, now that the > > overproduction in every nation is choking the > economies, now that the only > > real profits can be found in war, now the working > class will be waking up. In > > Argentina, the left has put aside their > differences and is talking and > > working together. In the US, young people are > joining together to fight for > > civil liberties and agaisnt war. These are small, > but indicative > > developments. > > > > Are you familiar with the Turner Thesis? This is > the final appication of it. > > The US has rub out of frontiers, the capitalists > can't invest many more > > places, the system has really outlived its > usefulness, and Gorbachev isn't > > on the same page as those who know this. He > worries about pollution. That's > > nice. So does the Sierra Club and the Boyscouts, > but they aren't on the side > > of the working class, and neither does that "great > leader" you admire. > > Heather > > > > > > > > I will stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ==^================================================================ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^================================================================
