Hi everyone, Regarding this, I got the below update from APNIC —
———————————————————— Dear Gaurav Your proposal below to the Policy SIG was forwarded to the EC for review by the SIG Chair. We have reviewed it. Under our by-laws, and Australian Law - as a Membership organisation APNIC cannot grant all voting rights to any organisation that is not formally a member. Instead, we do have different voting rights for the community positions - SIG Chairs, NRO NC, and IANA RC. For any organization who is interested to be a member there is already a mechanism to join APNIC and to gain voting rights, by signing the membership agreement and paying the minimum annual fee. You don't need to be a resource holder for this. This option is open to members of NIRs who wish to do so - and we have a few examples of that. Regarding the membership conditions for NIRs themselves, the blog post from Paul Wilson explains the historical relationship between NIR fees, address holdings and voting rights; and the EC has not received any recent request or proposal from any NIR to review those terms. https://blog.apnic.net/2022/07/13/the-nir-structure-annual-fees-and-voting-entitlement%ef%bf%bc/ We hope that this response clarifies the situation. Thanks, -gaurab Gaurab Raj Upadhaya Chair, APNIC EC ————————————————— As the above message was posted directly to me and not on this list, I am posting this for the quick reference for all the members, especially for the one who were working with me and helped me in raising this issue. I also took the approval from APNIC staff before posting the response keeping the sensitivity of the matter in mind. As per post, APNIC can’t grant the voting rights to NIR members (for electing EC) because of AU laws but on the same time, they can allow any individual to choose NRO NC and SIG members. Aren’t these two are completely contradictory points ? The more I am trying to understand the APNIC’s response, the more I am convinced that it’s completely intentional and with some motive. As this response is not clarifying any of my doubts, I am posting the response here to get the views of the APNIC members. Regards, Gaurav Kansal > On 20-Jul-2022, at 12:58, Gaurav Kansal <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I submitted the policy in APNIC 10 days back but neither my policy document > was posted on the Policy SIG mailing list nor i received any communication > from APNIC why it was not posted and what we can do to discuss further on the > said subject. > > Either APNIC team is too busy or just ignoring the requests. > > Unfortunately, this is not the first time it is happening with me. At least > couple of more times, i have been informed by APNIC support that my request > is sent to APNIC EC but after that i didn’t get any feedback from APNIC EC or > from anyone else. > > Don’t know what wrong with APNIC now a days. Do anyone knows what to do now ? > > Regards, > Gaurav Kansal > > >> On 13-Jul-2022, at 11:27, Gaurav Kansal <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> Under “What we do”section , apnic describes itself as , "APNIC (Asia Pacific >> Network Information Centre, pronounced A-P-NIC) is an open, member-based, >> not-for-profit organization, whose primary role is to distribute and manage >> Internet number resources (IP addresses and AS numbers) in the Asia Pacific >> region’s 56 economies.” >> So clearly, APNIC is not for profit and shouldn't see things with an eye on >> profit. >> >> Blog talks about the Dollar’s ($$$) apnic can earn if members join APNIC >> directly, instead of coming via NIRs. Why APNIC is seeing this as business >> loss and why they are not understanding that NIRs are doing great job in >> expanding the Internet in their economies, and which according to me should >> be the primary role of both APNIC and NIRs. >> >> If we can expand the membership base of APNIC by extending membership to NIR >> members, then we can minimise the hostile takeover possibilty , which >> AFRINIC is facing today. As mentioned in my blog also, LACNIC has 2 NIRs and >> the members of NIR's have the voting rights in the LACNIC , so it’s just in >> APNIC where NIR’s members don’t have voting rights. >> >> I had submitted a policy for this with an intention of soughting the members >> opionion but unfortunately the policy was sent to EC instead of posting it >> to policy sig mailing list. >> >> You can refer my original write up on this subject here - >> https://blog.gauravkansal.in/2022/07/is-apnic-policy-of-members-voting.html >> >> Regards, >> Gaurav Kansal >> >> >>> On 13-Jul-2022, at 09:58, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all >>> >>> For those following this discussion, there's a now related post on the >>> APNIC Blog: >>> https://blog.apnic.net/2022/07/13/the-nir-structure-annual-fees-and-voting-entitlement%ef%bf%bc/ >>> >>> Thanks >>> Tony >>> >>> >>> On 6/7/2022, 6:55 pm, "Bertrand Cherrier" <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Gaurav, >>> >>> Any NIR member can participate in APNIC Policies, in fact anyone can >>> participate ! >>> The first step is to subscribe to the policy-sig mailing list >>> (https://www.apnic.net/community/policy/participate/), then (or before) >>> read the PdP (https://www.apnic.net/community/policy/process/) And then >>> submit a proposal ! >>> >>> Looking forward to reading you soon on the policy-sig mailing list ;-) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Bertrand Cherrier >>> Policy SIG Chair >>> >>> >>> >>> Le jeudi 23 juin 2022 à 15:26 +0530, Gaurav Kansal a écrit : >>>> APNIC (the Asia Pacific Network Information Centre) is the regional >>>> Internet address registry (RIR) for the Asia-Pacific region, service >>>> 56 economies, including India, Bangladesh, China, Australia, Japan >>>> and others. APNIC is one of the world's five RIRs and is part of the >>>> Number Resource Organization (NRO). >>>> As of date, the following 7 NIRs (National Internet Registries) are >>>> registered with APNIC for serving the local community[i] [ii] [iii]-- >>>> NIR >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I think it’s a high time to update APNIC membership and voting policy >>>> rules and guidelines, and allow NIR members also to participate in >>>> APNIC policies. This will also help APNIC in expanding the user base >>>> and can be helpful in avoiding the hostile takeover type of >>>> situation, which we have recently saw in AFRINIC. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Gaurav Kansal >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> apnic-talk - [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]><https://mailman.apnic.net >>>> <https://mailman.apnic.net/>/<a >>>> href=>/">https://mailman.apnic.net/[email protected]/ >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> apnic-talk - [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]><https://mailman.apnic.net >>> <https://mailman.apnic.net/>/<a >>> href=>/">https://mailman.apnic.net/[email protected]/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> apnic-talk - https://mailman.apnic.net/[email protected]/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> >
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