On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 22:06 Chris Woodfield <ch...@semihuman.com> wrote:
> I think Joe’s got a good suggestion that I would support - define > “transferable number resources” as IPv4 addresses and ASNs in Section 2, > and go from there. > > -C > Sort of saying the same thing differently. Im looking for the easy vs elegant approach. YMMV, -M< > > On Oct 21, 2021, at 5:39 PM, Martin Hannigan <hanni...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 14:53 Chris Woodfield <ch...@semihuman.com> wrote: > >> I support this edit, for same reasons others have mentioned. >> >> If I’m recalling yesterday’s presentation correctly, it was ARIN Staff >> and Legal, not the AC, that determined that this language could not be >> implemented an editorial change, so that’s not up for debate here. >> >> One possible adjustment that I’d like to suggest is that the term “IPv4 >> and/or ASN resources” seems a bit awkward, given how many times it appears >> in the section. Perhaps we could add a new section that incorporates >> David’s suggested language, but also handles the clarification of the >> definition of number resources in a single place, scoped to Section 8. >> >> So, a new Section 8.1.1, which I’d propose would be named “Definitions”, >> could read as follows: >> >> >> All references to “number resources" in this section, unless stated >> otherwise, refer to IPv4 addresses and/or ASN resources. >> >> When number resources of multiple types, including IPv6 resources, are >> transferred, each resource type is considered separately and independently, >> both for any conditions on their transferability and the application of any >> restrictions following a transfer. >> >> >> Following this, the other edits to Section 8 in the proposal can simply >> be changed to “number resources” to suit. >> >> Opinions? >> >> -C >> > > We’d be better off using defined terms. Easier to construct, but end up > being document global. > > Warm regards, > > -M< > > > > >> >> On Oct 21, 2021, at 11:23 AM, Martin Hannigan <hanni...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> I agree with Owen re: the editorial nature of the changes. However, I >> support it moving forward. I don't support the Farmer suggestion. That is >> possibly a material change that should undergo the rigors of "the process" >> on its own. >> >> Warm regards, >> >> -M< >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 11:33 AM Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML < >> arin-ppml@arin.net> wrote: >> >>> I support this amendment. >>> >>> Owen >>> >>> >>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:45 , David Farmer via ARIN-PPML < >>> arin-ppml@arin.net> wrote: >>> >>> I support this proposal as currently written. >>> >>> However, regarding Kevin Blumberg's comment at the ARIN 48 discussion of >>> this policy earlier today; How about adding a paragraph like the following >>> to section 8.1, Principles; >>> >>> When number resources of multiple types, IPv4, IPv6, and/or ASNs, are >>> transferred, each resource type is considered separately and independently, >>> both for any conditions on their transferability and the application of any >>> restrictions following a transfer. >>> >>> >>> Something like this added to Section 8.1, Principles, along with the >>> already proposed changes should eliminate any possibility of confusion in >>> this regard. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 7:52 AM ARIN <i...@arin.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 19 August 2021, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted >>>> "ARIN-prop-299: Clarifications to Sections 8.3, 8.4 and 8.5.6" as a Draft >>>> Policy. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Draft Policy ARIN-2021-4 is below and can be found at: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2021_4/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will >>>> evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft >>>> policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated >>>> in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles >>>> are: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration >>>> >>>> * Technically Sound >>>> >>>> * Supported by the Community >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The PDP can be found at: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: >>>> >>>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sean Hopkins >>>> >>>> Senior Policy Analyst >>>> >>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Draft Policy ARIN-2021-4: Clarifications to Sections 8.3, 8.4 and 8.5.6 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Problem Statement: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The current language in Sections 8.3 and 8.4 is not clear regarding >>>> ASN-only transactions as well as the term “number resources”. The current >>>> language in Section 8.5.7 is not clear with regard to additional IPv4 >>>> space. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Policy statement: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In Section 8.3: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Replace >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “In addition to transfers under section 8.2, IPv4 numbers resources and >>>> ASNs may be transferred according to the following conditions.” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> with >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “In addition to transfers under section 8.2, IPv4 address and/or ASN >>>> resources may be transferred according to the following conditions.” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Replace >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “The source entity must be the current registered holder of the IPv4 >>>> address resources, and not be involved in any dispute as to the status of >>>> those resources.” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> with >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “The source entity must be the current registered holder of the IPv4 >>>> address and/or ASN resources, and not be involved in any dispute as to the >>>> status of those resources.” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In Section 8.4: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Replace >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “Inter-regional transfers of IPv4 number resources and ASNs may take >>>> place only via RIRs who agree to the transfer and share reciprocal, >>>> compatible needs-based policies.” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> with >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “Inter-regional transfers of IPv4 addresses and/or ASN resources may >>>> take place only via RIRs who agree to the transfer and share reciprocal, >>>> compatible needs-based policies.” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Replace >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “The source entity must be the current rights holder of the IPv4 >>>> address resources recognized by the RIR responsible for the resources, and >>>> not be involved in any dispute as to the status of those resources.” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> with >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “The source entity must be the current rights holder of the IPv4 >>>> address and/or ASN resources recognized by the RIR responsible for the >>>> resources, and not be involved in any dispute as to the status of those >>>> resources.” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In Section 8.5.6: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Replace >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “Organizations with direct assignments or allocations from ARIN must >>>> have efficiently utilized at least 50% of their cumulative IPv4 address >>>> blocks in order to receive additional space. This includes all space >>>> reassigned to their customers.” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> with >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “Organizations with direct assignments or allocations from ARIN must >>>> have efficiently utilized at least 50% of their cumulative IPv4 address >>>> blocks in order to receive additional IPv4 space. This includes all IPv4 >>>> space reassigned to their customers.” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Comments: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> These changes were originally included in ARIN-edit-2021-1. Staff and >>>> Legal review of ARIN-edit-2021-1 on June 14, 2021 indicated that some >>>> changes were not editorial in nature. The editorial changes went forward in >>>> ARIN-edit-2021-1 and the non-editorial changes are included here. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Timetable for implementation: Immediate >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ARIN-PPML >>>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). >>>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>>> Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> =============================================== >>> David Farmer Email:far...@umn.edu >>> Networking & Telecommunication Services >>> Office of Information Technology >>> University of Minnesota >>> 2218 University Ave SE >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/2218+University+Ave+SE?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> Phone: 612-626-0815 >>> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 >>> =============================================== >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARIN-PPML >>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). >>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>> Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARIN-PPML >>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). >>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>> Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. >> >> >
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