> On Oct 21, 2021, at 11:53 , Chris Woodfield <ch...@semihuman.com> wrote: > > I support this edit, for same reasons others have mentioned. > > If I’m recalling yesterday’s presentation correctly, it was ARIN Staff and > Legal, not the AC, that determined that this language could not be > implemented an editorial change, so that’s not up for debate here. > > One possible adjustment that I’d like to suggest is that the term “IPv4 > and/or ASN resources” seems a bit awkward, given how many times it appears in > the section. Perhaps we could add a new section that incorporates David’s > suggested language, but also handles the clarification of the definition of > number resources in a single place, scoped to Section 8. > > So, a new Section 8.1.1, which I’d propose would be named “Definitions”, > could read as follows: > > > All references to “number resources" in this section, unless stated > otherwise, refer to IPv4 addresses and/or ASN resources. > > When number resources of multiple types, including IPv6 resources, are > transferred, each resource type is considered separately and independently, > both for any conditions on their transferability and the application of any > restrictions following a transfer. > > > Following this, the other edits to Section 8 in the proposal can simply be > changed to “number resources” to suit.
I think number resources should refer to IPv6, IPv4, ASNs, and any future Internet Number Resource that may come along. I think where a specific subset of number resources is needed, spelling it out as is the current case is fine. Owen > > Opinions? > > -C > > >> On Oct 21, 2021, at 11:23 AM, Martin Hannigan <hanni...@gmail.com >> <mailto:hanni...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> I agree with Owen re: the editorial nature of the changes. However, I >> support it moving forward. I don't support the Farmer suggestion. That is >> possibly a material change that should undergo the rigors of "the process" >> on its own. >> >> Warm regards, >> >> -M< >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 11:33 AM Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML >> <arin-ppml@arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net>> wrote: >> I support this amendment. >> >> Owen >> >> >>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:45 , David Farmer via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml@arin.net >>> <mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net>> wrote: >>> >>> I support this proposal as currently written. >>> >>> However, regarding Kevin Blumberg's comment at the ARIN 48 discussion of >>> this policy earlier today; How about adding a paragraph like the following >>> to section 8.1, Principles; >>> >>> When number resources of multiple types, IPv4, IPv6, and/or ASNs, are >>> transferred, each resource type is considered separately and independently, >>> both for any conditions on their transferability and the application of any >>> restrictions following a transfer. >>> >>> Something like this added to Section 8.1, Principles, along with the >>> already proposed changes should eliminate any possibility of confusion in >>> this regard. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 7:52 AM ARIN <i...@arin.net <mailto:i...@arin.net>> >>> wrote: >>> On 19 August 2021, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-299: >>> Clarifications to Sections 8.3, 8.4 and 8.5.6" as a Draft Policy. >>> >>> >>> >>> Draft Policy ARIN-2021-4 is below and can be found at: >>> >>> >>> >>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2021_4/ >>> <https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2021_4/> >>> >>> >>> You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will >>> evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft >>> policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated >>> in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are: >>> >>> >>> >>> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration >>> >>> * Technically Sound >>> >>> * Supported by the Community >>> >>> >>> >>> The PDP can be found at: >>> >>> >>> >>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/ >>> <https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/> >>> >>> >>> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: >>> >>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/ >>> <https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> Sean Hopkins >>> >>> Senior Policy Analyst >>> >>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Draft Policy ARIN-2021-4: Clarifications to Sections 8.3, 8.4 and 8.5.6 >>> >>> >>> Problem Statement: >>> >>> >>> >>> The current language in Sections 8.3 and 8.4 is not clear regarding >>> ASN-only transactions as well as the term “number resources”. The current >>> language in Section 8.5.7 is not clear with regard to additional IPv4 space. >>> >>> >>> >>> Policy statement: >>> >>> >>> >>> In Section 8.3: >>> >>> >>> >>> Replace >>> >>> >>> >>> “In addition to transfers under section 8.2, IPv4 numbers resources and >>> ASNs may be transferred according to the following conditions.” >>> >>> >>> >>> with >>> >>> >>> >>> “In addition to transfers under section 8.2, IPv4 address and/or ASN >>> resources may be transferred according to the following conditions.” >>> >>> >>> >>> Replace >>> >>> >>> >>> “The source entity must be the current registered holder of the IPv4 >>> address resources, and not be involved in any dispute as to the status of >>> those resources.” >>> >>> >>> >>> with >>> >>> >>> >>> “The source entity must be the current registered holder of the IPv4 >>> address and/or ASN resources, and not be involved in any dispute as to the >>> status of those resources.” >>> >>> >>> >>> In Section 8.4: >>> >>> >>> >>> Replace >>> >>> >>> >>> “Inter-regional transfers of IPv4 number resources and ASNs may take place >>> only via RIRs who agree to the transfer and share reciprocal, compatible >>> needs-based policies.” >>> >>> >>> >>> with >>> >>> >>> >>> “Inter-regional transfers of IPv4 addresses and/or ASN resources may take >>> place only via RIRs who agree to the transfer and share reciprocal, >>> compatible needs-based policies.” >>> >>> >>> >>> Replace >>> >>> >>> >>> “The source entity must be the current rights holder of the IPv4 address >>> resources recognized by the RIR responsible for the resources, and not be >>> involved in any dispute as to the status of those resources.” >>> >>> >>> >>> with >>> >>> >>> >>> “The source entity must be the current rights holder of the IPv4 address >>> and/or ASN resources recognized by the RIR responsible for the resources, >>> and not be involved in any dispute as to the status of those resources.” >>> >>> >>> >>> In Section 8.5.6: >>> >>> >>> >>> Replace >>> >>> >>> >>> “Organizations with direct assignments or allocations from ARIN must have >>> efficiently utilized at least 50% of their cumulative IPv4 address blocks >>> in order to receive additional space. This includes all space reassigned to >>> their customers.” >>> >>> >>> >>> with >>> >>> >>> >>> “Organizations with direct assignments or allocations from ARIN must have >>> efficiently utilized at least 50% of their cumulative IPv4 address blocks >>> in order to receive additional IPv4 space. This includes all IPv4 space >>> reassigned to their customers.” >>> >>> >>> >>> Comments: >>> >>> >>> >>> These changes were originally included in ARIN-edit-2021-1. Staff and Legal >>> review of ARIN-edit-2021-1 on June 14, 2021 indicated that some changes >>> were not editorial in nature. The editorial changes went forward in >>> ARIN-edit-2021-1 and the non-editorial changes are included here. >>> >>> >>> >>> Timetable for implementation: Immediate >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARIN-PPML >>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net >>> <mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net>). >>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>> <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> >>> Please contact i...@arin.net <mailto:i...@arin.net> if you experience any >>> issues. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> =============================================== >>> David Farmer Email:far...@umn.edu >>> <mailto:email%3afar...@umn.edu> >>> Networking & Telecommunication Services >>> Office of Information Technology >>> University of Minnesota >>> 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 >>> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 >>> =============================================== >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARIN-PPML >>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net >>> <mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net>). >>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>> <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> >>> Please contact i...@arin.net <mailto:i...@arin.net> if you experience any >>> issues. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net >> <mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net>). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> >> Please contact i...@arin.net <mailto:i...@arin.net> if you experience any >> issues. >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net >> <mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net>). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> >> Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
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