Thanks for your contribution.

The primary motivation for this change was that both RIPE and APNIC noticed a 
large number of assigned ASNs that were not being advertised in the Global 
routing tables. Approximately 21% of all ASNs are functionally not 
participating in global routing.

By implementing an ASN fee, they hope to have these unused numbers returned to 
the RIR in order to prevent wastage in the long term.

Each have taken separate paths to execute this. RIPE has a flat €50 fee per 
ASN. While APNIC has gone for the first ASN to be free, but every subsequent 
one being charged AUD600. While APNIC policies might not impact hobby network 
growth in the future, RIPE policies might.

When ARIN implemented these fees, they were justified as being a more financial 
issue to stay afloat.

Definitely appreciate your perspective though.

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From: Dale W. Carder <dwcar...@es.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2024 6:19 PM
To: Nachiket Kondhalkar <n.b.kondhal...@student.tudelft.nl>
Cc: arin-ppml@arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] AS Number Management Study by TU Delft

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Thus spake Nachiket Kondhalkar via ARIN-PPML (arin-ppml@arin.net) on Wed, Jul 
24, 2024 at 03:41:09PM +0000:
> Hello ARIN Policy community,
>
> APNIC and RIPE NCC have introduced an annual ASN maintenance fee from January 
> 2025. As part of a research group currently studying AS Number management at 
> TU Delft, we would like to understand the perspectives of network 
> administrators in reference to this change. Your experience and expertise 
> will help us understand and present the consensus of the community through 
> our research.
>
> For more information about the study:
> https://blog/
> .apnic.net%2F2024%2F07%2F16%2Fa-comprehensive-review-of-rir-policies-i
> n-the-domain-of-asn-management%2F&data=05%7C02%7CN.B.Kondhalkar%40stud
> ent.tudelft.nl%7C9bca8712ff96494667b008dcabfc52e5%7C096e524d692940308c
> d38ab42de0887b%7C0%7C0%7C638574347408421839%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8ey
> JWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7
> C%7C%7C&sdata=vPZRPXCPOUzVzRkk4Y9PW%2Bt0G1rdTPV5N2oZKIJ8wh4%3D&reserve
> d=0

For some of your questions in the survey around the perception of scaling 
concerns, as I hope you are aware, there has been a large body of work 
previously in this space.  Probably the easiest thing to point to would be the 
old IRTF RRG: https://wiki.ietf.org/group/rrg

Dale

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