On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Tzafrir Cohen <tzaf...@cohens.org.il> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 02:59:02PM +0000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton > wrote: > > --- > > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Stefan Monnier <monn...@iro.umontreal.ca> > wrote: > > > > > W.r.t to logging, I've agree that you're probably better off logging to > > > RAM (or to a remote host) than to a local "disk", and AFAIK that's the > > > default behavior of systemd anyway. > > > > with the exception of fedora which has only a few backers i will NOT > > be distributing a filesystem which contains the completely > > unethically-developed and very dangerous systemd application. having > > evaluated its development, watched the predicted security > > vulnerabilities unfold and cause massive disruption, and witnessed its > > "ram it down people's throats" deployment without due consideration or > > consultation with end-users, nor the distros respecting end-users > > rights to NOT be forced into using it, i cannot and will not be > > associated or endorse such totally unethical behaviour, so will be > > removing it from all rootfs images. post-distribution, if people then > > wish to undo that because they find systemd to be useful and have no > > objections to its usage they are entirely free to do so. > > I very much like systemd and can hardly see myself using a system > without it. Thus I will personally want to have systemd on my systems. > Please don't make that too difficult a task for me. > > That is: you don't like systemd? fine. Installing Debian without it is > rather simple: > https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd Please don't spread this mis-information. Installing Debian without systemd is far from simple, and many things just won't work right as systemd has become a dependency on more and more packages. It's possible, yes, but it's not simple, not supported, and tends to leave the user debugging weird behaviours. > > In that case, all I'll have to do would be to install a few more > packages (and maybe disable syslog logging to reduce unnecessary disk > writes, and similar tweaks). > > However, if "removing it from the rootfs" means something similar to > Devuan, then It'll probably be simpler for me to reinstall the image > with a proper Debian system. > > Please don't make my life complicated. > > -- > Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is > http://tzafrir.org.il | | a Mutt's > tzaf...@cohens.org.il | | best > tzaf...@debian.org | | friend > > _______________________________________________ > arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk > http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook > Send large attachments to arm-netb...@files.phcomp.co.uk >
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