On 2017-02-09 at 10:53:02 -0500, Adam Van Ymeren wrote: > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Tzafrir Cohen <tzaf...@cohens.org.il> > wrote: > > That is: you don't like systemd? fine. Installing Debian without it is > > rather simple: > > https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd > > Please don't spread this mis-information. Installing Debian without > systemd is far from simple, and many things just won't work right as > systemd has become a dependency on more and more packages. > > It's possible, yes, but it's not simple, not supported, and tends to leave > the user debugging weird behaviours.
This is mostly false: installing debian without libsystemd0 is not supported. Lots of packages have added optional support for systemd, so they are built linking that *648 bytes* library to access it *when available*. Not doing so would require multiple builds of all packages and that would lead to mainteinance hell. Using another init system on debian is fully supported, mandatory on non-linux archs (sadly, none of them are release archs, but people are still working on them). Since less people are using it it is likely that there are bugs and that it will take more time to find them, but please if you do *report them*, they will be taken care of as any other bug (i.e. not always, because sometimes maintainers disappear). The only way to be sure that other init systems will die completely in Debian is not reporting bugs, because that way the maintainers have no idea that they exists and no chance to fix them. Running GNOME without systemd is a different beast: I don't know if it has happened already, but sooner or later systemd will be required because of an *upstream* decision. Debian fully supports a number of other Desktop Environment and window managers, some of which (e.g. KDE/Plasma) have a committed to being multi-platform and thus will not for the foreseeable future force the use of systemd. -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' - who is very grateful to the systemd maintainers in Debian because they are dealing with *that* upstream and are managing to protect us users from some upstream insanities. _______________________________________________ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook Send large attachments to arm-netb...@files.phcomp.co.uk
