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On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Adam Van Ymeren <adam.v...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Tzafrir Cohen <tzaf...@cohens.org.il> > wrote: >> >> On Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 02:59:02PM +0000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton >> wrote: >> > --- >> > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Stefan Monnier >> > <monn...@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote: >> > >> > > W.r.t to logging, I've agree that you're probably better off logging >> > > to >> > > RAM (or to a remote host) than to a local "disk", and AFAIK that's the >> > > default behavior of systemd anyway. >> > >> > with the exception of fedora which has only a few backers i will NOT >> > be distributing a filesystem which contains the completely >> > unethically-developed and very dangerous systemd application. having >> > evaluated its development, watched the predicted security >> > vulnerabilities unfold and cause massive disruption, and witnessed its >> > "ram it down people's throats" deployment without due consideration or >> > consultation with end-users, nor the distros respecting end-users >> > rights to NOT be forced into using it, i cannot and will not be >> > associated or endorse such totally unethical behaviour, so will be >> > removing it from all rootfs images. post-distribution, if people then >> > wish to undo that because they find systemd to be useful and have no >> > objections to its usage they are entirely free to do so. >> >> I very much like systemd and can hardly see myself using a system >> without it. Thus I will personally want to have systemd on my systems. >> Please don't make that too difficult a task for me. >> >> That is: you don't like systemd? fine. Installing Debian without it is >> rather simple: >> https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd > > > Please don't spread this mis-information. Installing Debian without systemd > is far from simple, and many things just won't work right as systemd has > become a dependency on more and more packages. > > It's possible, yes, but it's not simple, not supported, and tends to leave > the user debugging weird behaviours. for my laptop i'm using angband.pl's nosystemd, which is not kept up-to-date with security updates, so what i have learned is that i can simply "apt-get build-dep" on whatever package is not up-to-date, then "apt-get source" it, build it and install the resultant .debs and that way i can keep running a debian/testing system completely free of systemd and libsystemd0. ... yeah it's not for the faint-hearted :) l. _______________________________________________ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook Send large attachments to arm-netb...@files.phcomp.co.uk