On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 10:09:45AM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 8:17 AM, Tzafrir Cohen <tzaf...@cohens.org.il> wrote: > > > In another thread someone mentioned trusting people. I trust the > > maintainer of angband.pl generally more than maintainers of Devuan, from > > observed behavior. > > *sigh* i love what the devuan team have done: they've achieved a hell > of a lot. the only thing is: their stated mission statement is "to > give people free choice over their init service". and... err... the > lack of support for systemd makes that mission statement a false > statement. > > devuan is therefore a backlash *against* systemd. if they were true > to their mission statement they would add the option to include it.
The official line is that, if you want Devuan with systemd you should simply install Debian, which *is* Devuan with systemd. Thus you have choice, which you wouldn't have with Debian alone. It doesn't enable you to simply boot with systemd on even-numbered days and without it on odd-numbered days, but it is a reasonable compromise, given their lack of resources. -- hendrik P.S. Technically, Debian itself does make it possible to have a system without systemd, but you have to install with systemd and then replace it. And there are a lot of packages that depend on systemd, but don't in Devuan, so the option isn't as viable as it is presented. > > what would be really *really* handy is if someone modified > angband.pl's packaging so that it compiled *both* systemd *and* > systemd-less packages, making the systemd-less variants e.g. of udev > as "udev-nosystemd" and using "Provides: udev" (or whatever > appropriate debian control magic is necessary). > > the reason for that would be that the angband.pl variants could then > actually be proposed for inclusion in debian. It would have been good of Debian to have adopted a policy like that. Instead they didn't even make systemd a choice at installation time. -- hendrik _______________________________________________ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook Send large attachments to arm-netb...@files.phcomp.co.uk
