Dude ! you need not go to the extent of saying insult & all. It is just the
discussion about Ashu yet to give dimensions that Mani has given without Arr &
with Arr. True to the fact mani ratnam has proved on more good movies with any
music director. Why left Pagal Nilavu his debut movie before Mouna Ragam. PN is
a hit. Mani is highly budget conscious & do not experiment with
larger-than-life movies.
Regards Pavan
"shanavas.chemmamkuzhi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Comparing with Ashuthosh is an insult to Mani Ratnam.From Mounaragam
to Kannathil Muthamittal, Mani Ratnam films always offered great
music.Ashuthosh is over dependent on AR, but Maniratnam is capable
to produce good music with any music director.
--- In [email protected], "Arijit Debnath"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think whatever the outcome of Rahman-Ashu combo...it's totally
Rahman's
> contribution... if u go for Ashu-'s 1st directorial venture (Bazi
starring
> Amir Khan) am sure u'll be laughing at hearing the songs and BGMs.
>
> Ashu killed a beautiful song called "Yeh jo desh" in Swadesh with
poor
> picturisation.
>
> Mani's thinking is far beyond than Ashu's... I think no one other
than Mani
> can give an idea to compose songs in "Chor Chor/thiruda thiruda".
>
> The BGM of Dil Se...the song concept for "Dile Se re", "satrangee
re"....
> its like awesome.
> Take any song from Roja... in India "rukmani rukmani" is 1st song
of its
> kind... and think about the picturization.
> What abt "iruvar"/"Kannathil
muthamittal"/"Bombay"/"Alepaudey"/"GURU"??
> The best thing of mani-arr combo is the freshness and new blend...
> something never before heard... be it songs or bmg...so
innovative....
>
> Innivation also noted in RDB BGMs......
> I am telling u the diff between Ashu and Rakesh mehera in terms of
> innovation:
>
> The song "Ghanana ghanana"... the part "Mana dharkaye bijuria" in
3 times
> (lyrics may be wrong)...its called a "Tihai" in hindustani
classical... but
> what Rahman did in the last phrase he added "mana mana dharkaye
> bijuria"....which is technically not correct or out of beat... but
musically
> awesome and innovative... but I am sure...this is coming
completely out of
> Rahman's musical mind...no contribution from Ashu.
>
> Now consider the song "Khalbali" "ziddi..." a totally misfit
song to the
> Rebels in 1940's India... but "Ziddi.." portion is being played
when Bhagat
> Sing and his followers are fasting.... here Rakesh is injecting
the song in
> right place....
>
> Also take the moment the patriots are hiding and British police
> chasing...and a rock kind of guiter is in background...just like
telling
> "I'll break free"...this is innovation, again Rahman is injected by
> Director....
>
> but in Ashu's movies songs and bgms are contemporary... real good
> compositions but not surprising.
>
> Anyway... all these are my personal feelings...
>
> Arijit
>
>
>
>
> On 21/02/2008, Pradeepan R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > the reason why Ashutosh-ARR combo works well is because
> > CONSCIOUSLY & INTENTIONALLY Ashutosh makes the movie with plenty
of scope
> > for BGM.
> >
> > for example. consider a scene from Lagaan.
> > Indian batsman gets hit on the head.
> > Ashu intentionally shows reactions from atleast 4 or 5
characters for well
> > over a second, with closeup of their faces.
> > This definitely needs a good BGM.
> >
> > another example from Swades.
> > SRK stares at the open sky for a few seconds upto a minute.
> > There HAS to be a BGM there..
> >
> > with Mani, things are more casual - less cinematic (may be
termed as
> > mature).
> > But still ARR has lot of chances for good BGM, but not so much
as the
> > SOngs itself.
> > Mani gives ARR a great chance for scoring songs - that can be
heard with
> > the movie as well as without any idea of the Movie..
> >
> > with Ashu, its more blended with the movie..
> > I'm not comparing Ashu & Mani , but it will be appropriate to
conclude
> > that
> >
> > - Ashu will make a great director for a real 'musical'. (ARR
should use
> > him if he plans to make a musical in India).
> > - Mani will make a great director for fact based, closer to life
style
> > movies.
> >
> > But its too early to judge which combo is better :))
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Arijit Debnath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > To me Mani-ARR is the best combo, nothing else matters....
> > >
> > > Arijit
> > >
> > >
> > > On 21/02/2008, Pravinder Sheoran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Guys,
> > > > After a lot lot of thinking process, i have come to the
conclusion
> > > > that its time now to accept that ARR - Ashutosh combination
has
> > > > surpassed ARR - Mani Ratnam combination (which has been no.1
for a
> > > > long long time now).
> > > > It may be that many times Rahman Saab composes out of the
world songs
> > > > for Mani Ratnam and Mani Sir also comes out with many ground
breaking
> > > > videos for A R Rahman many times.
> > > >
> > > > But when it comes to be a combined effect, i think ARR and
Ashutosh
> > > > give more delightful output which is best in terms of
situation
> > > > handling
> > > > (I mean the songs are according to the situation of the
movie) without
> > > > compromising the quality and taking care of popularity as
well.
> > > >
> > > > Its really a tough decision though, i might be influenced by
the
> > > > factor that JA has just been released and has a huge
temporary effect
> > > > on my mind (Which may prove to be a permanent effect as
well).
> > > >
> > > > AGREE or DISAGREE?
> > > >
> > > > Pravinder.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Pradeepan.
> >
> > "All you need to do is decide what to do with the time that is
given to
> > you !"
> >
> >
> >
>
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