Hi Gomzy, I would also add the following fact: I have never seen any director giving this much respect to ARR's music before. Even Mani Ratnam would chop the songs off. But Ashutosh has used them even more than once.
I know Mani is a legend and Ashutosh is only 3 films old. But those 3 are one of the rarest movies in India which had immense quality. Song timings and picturization were superb. Pravinder. --- In [email protected], Gomzy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well if anyone has observed, mani's direction is mainly dependent on his > entire crew. > He hires the best. Not that he is wrong, but very dependent on them. For > example, check out the disappointing endings in Alaipayuthey,Guru, Yuva and > even Dil se. > > And personally i felt Guru BGMs went wrong in the second half with Guru bhai > theme way too loud. > Agreed Mani gets the best from arr and ashu has a long way to go, but if you > observe the bgms in lagaan and swades its just too perfect. Its just my > opinion. > > And again i thought "yeh Jo Des hai tera" picturisation was one of the best. > Its innocent and perfect. > > But whatever it is, we are so glad to all these directors who bring the best > from arr. > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 1:55 PM, arr pavan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dude ! you need not go to the extent of saying insult & all. It is just > > the discussion about Ashu yet to give dimensions that Mani has given without > > Arr & with Arr. True to the fact mani ratnam has proved on more good movies > > with any music director. Why left Pagal Nilavu his debut movie before Mouna > > Ragam. PN is a hit. Mani is highly budget conscious & do not experiment > > with larger-than-life movies. > > > > Regards Pavan > > > > > > > > *"shanavas.chemmamkuzhi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > > > > > Comparing with Ashuthosh is an insult to Mani Ratnam.From Mounaragam > > to Kannathil Muthamittal, Mani Ratnam films always offered great > > music.Ashuthosh is over dependent on AR, but Maniratnam is capable > > to produce good music with any music director. > > > > --- In [email protected] <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Arijit Debnath" > > <arijit741@> wrote: > > > > > > I think whatever the outcome of Rahman-Ashu combo...it's totally > > Rahman's > > > contribution... if u go for Ashu-'s 1st directorial venture (Bazi > > starring > > > Amir Khan) am sure u'll be laughing at hearing the songs and BGMs. > > > > > > Ashu killed a beautiful song called "Yeh jo desh" in Swadesh with > > poor > > > picturisation. > > > > > > Mani's thinking is far beyond than Ashu's... I think no one other > > than Mani > > > can give an idea to compose songs in "Chor Chor/thiruda thiruda". > > > > > > The BGM of Dil Se...the song concept for "Dile Se re", "satrangee > > re".... > > > its like awesome. > > > Take any song from Roja... in India "rukmani rukmani" is 1st song > > of its > > > kind... and think about the picturization. > > > What abt "iruvar"/"Kannathil > > muthamittal"/"Bombay"/"Alepaudey"/"GURU"?? > > > The best thing of mani-arr combo is the freshness and new blend... > > > something never before heard... be it songs or bmg...so > > innovative.... > > > > > > Innivation also noted in RDB BGMs...... > > > I am telling u the diff between Ashu and Rakesh mehera in terms of > > > innovation: > > > > > > The song "Ghanana ghanana"... the part "Mana dharkaye bijuria" in > > 3 times > > > (lyrics may be wrong)...its called a "Tihai" in hindustani > > classical... but > > > what Rahman did in the last phrase he added "mana mana dharkaye > > > bijuria"....which is technically not correct or out of beat... but > > musically > > > awesome and innovative... but I am sure...this is coming > > completely out of > > > Rahman's musical mind...no contribution from Ashu. > > > > > > Now consider the song "Khalbali" "ziddi..." a totally misfit > > song to the > > > Rebels in 1940's India... but "Ziddi.." portion is being played > > when Bhagat > > > Sing and his followers are fasting.... here Rakesh is injecting > > the song in > > > right place.... > > > > > > Also take the moment the patriots are hiding and British police > > > chasing...and a rock kind of guiter is in background...just like > > telling > > > "I'll break free"...this is innovation, again Rahman is injected by > > > Director.... > > > > > > but in Ashu's movies songs and bgms are contemporary... real good > > > compositions but not surprising. > > > > > > Anyway... all these are my personal feelings... > > > > > > Arijit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 21/02/2008, Pradeepan R <pradeepanisonline@> wrote: > > > > > > > > the reason why Ashutosh-ARR combo works well is because > > > > CONSCIOUSLY & INTENTIONALLY Ashutosh makes the movie with plenty > > of scope > > > > for BGM. > > > > > > > > for example. consider a scene from Lagaan. > > > > Indian batsman gets hit on the head. > > > > Ashu intentionally shows reactions from atleast 4 or 5 > > characters for well > > > > over a second, with closeup of their faces. > > > > This definitely needs a good BGM. > > > > > > > > another example from Swades. > > > > SRK stares at the open sky for a few seconds upto a minute. > > > > There HAS to be a BGM there.. > > > > > > > > with Mani, things are more casual - less cinematic (may be > > termed as > > > > mature). > > > > But still ARR has lot of chances for good BGM, but not so much > > as the > > > > SOngs itself. > > > > Mani gives ARR a great chance for scoring songs - that can be > > heard with > > > > the movie as well as without any idea of the Movie.. > > > > > > > > with Ashu, its more blended with the movie.. > > > > I'm not comparing Ashu & Mani , but it will be appropriate to > > conclude > > > > that > > > > > > > > - Ashu will make a great director for a real 'musical'. (ARR > > should use > > > > him if he plans to make a musical in India). > > > > - Mani will make a great director for fact based, closer to life > > style > > > > movies. > > > > > > > > But its too early to judge which combo is better :)) > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Arijit Debnath <arijit741@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > To me Mani-ARR is the best combo, nothing else matters.... > > > > > > > > > > Arijit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 21/02/2008, Pravinder Sheoran <pravindersheoran@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > After a lot lot of thinking process, i have come to the > > conclusion > > > > > > that its time now to accept that ARR - Ashutosh combination > > has > > > > > > surpassed ARR - Mani Ratnam combination (which has been no.1 > > for a > > > > > > long long time now). > > > > > > It may be that many times Rahman Saab composes out of the > > world songs > > > > > > for Mani Ratnam and Mani Sir also comes out with many ground > > breaking > > > > > > videos for A R Rahman many times. > > > > > > > > > > > > But when it comes to be a combined effect, i think ARR and > > Ashutosh > > > > > > give more delightful output which is best in terms of > > situation > > > > > > handling > > > > > > (I mean the songs are according to the situation of the > > movie) without > > > > > > compromising the quality and taking care of popularity as > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Its really a tough decision though, i might be influenced by > > the > > > > > > factor that JA has just been released and has a huge > > temporary effect > > > > > > on my mind (Which may prove to be a permanent effect as > > well). > > > > > > > > > > > > AGREE or DISAGREE? > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravinder. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Cheers, > > > > Pradeepan. > > > > > > > > "All you need to do is decide what to do with the time that is > > given to > > > > you !" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. 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