orite there goes anther contributor companies are not goin to release bgms cant
can have them ripped what now..? COME ON WATS DA SOLID AND FAST SOLUTION TO
THIS?
--- On Fri, 31/10/08, Aravind AM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Aravind AM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: The dilemma about extracts from DVD!
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 31 October, 2008, 10:33 AM
Thanks a lot for that amith..
That's bang on...
As for as I'm concerned, I dont need any more clarifications, I think!!
I'm not uploading any more BGMs or voice alone tracks!!!
Aravind
http://arrahmaniac. blogspot. com
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--- On Fri, 31/10/08, Amith Chandhran <amithchandhran@ gmail.com> wrote:
From: Amith Chandhran <amithchandhran@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: The dilemma about extracts from DVD!
To:
arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 31 October, 2008, 7:24 AM
In my humble opinion, the copyright laws about the recorded work on
any recordable media are very well defined in the legal system.
Copyright recognizes the exclusive
right of a creator to gain the commercial advantage out of his own creation..
It is essential to encourage the artists and composers to invest their
creative inputs in the original works.
Copyright is a bundle of rights which deals with works like: Literary,
Dramatic, Musical, Artistic, Cinematographic films, and Sound recordings. A
musical work means any combination of (instrumental or vocal) melody, harmony,
singing, or either of them,
printed, reduced to writing or otherwise graphically produced or reproduced..
Where the musical work is comprising a part of the cinematographic film, the
assignees of the copyrights for the cinematographic film will by default own
copyrights in the musical work. Please refer to my earlier email on the
copyright issues here: http://groups. . yahoo.com/ group/arrahmanfa ns/message/
88353
The BGMs with which we are concerned as of now, are the part of a movie, and
are intended to be heard/seen/enjoyed as a part of movie, and not otherwise.
Even if we extract them for our own pleasure, in any form (voiceless, with
voice / with or without musical instruments) the copyrights will still remain
with the original assignee. Since copyright is a bundle of rights, the assignee
who has the copyrights for the movie, will essentially own the copyrights in
the BGMs as well. (Remember: "All rights of the DVD are owned by the producer")
And extracting BGMs will violate the copyright laws.
Where both a CD and a DVD are copyrighted, the copyright laws will be
applicable to all the work that they contain.
And unfortunately, the contention 'we-are-innocent- because-we- are-die-hard-
fans-of-Mr. Rahman' is not going to sustain in any courts in this world. And I
am not being sarcastic here, its the fact.
Thanks,
-
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:42 AM, kaissiom <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote:
Dear Aravind,
Now you feel the dilemma I have been facing for at least a year or
two... ever since I heard my BGM on Radio. I have numerous BGMs and
other High Quality rips from DVDs that I can't share :(
The fact is... we trust our brothers and sisters on this group here.
We are all here for the same purpose... to share and celebrate Rahman.
And it is with this spirit that we share these rare and generally
unavailable bits and pieces. But once we share something in the
public space like this group, whatever we share becomes available to
the public, who doesn't necessarily have to be a true, devoted,
dedicated Rahman fan.
You can not imagine the pain I felt when I heard my BGM on the Radio.
And I knew it was my BGM because it was edited.. I had edited it. I
felt like I had somehow betrayed Rahman... his hard work. That's when
I made the conscious decision to stop sharing BGMs.. it was right
after RDB bgms.
Anyhow... I would definitely like to point out one major thing...
namely the difference between a)BGMs and b)Vocals from DVD
I'm not aware of the copyright laws about the soundtrack on DVDs, but
it would be great if someone(Amith Chandran?) could shed some light on
that. But please notice the difference between the above mentioned
musical bits from DVD:
a)BGM (Background Music) bits:
1. Available commercially: NO.. unless released as a soundtrack like
some of the tracks in BOSE.
2. Rights owned by: Producer/Composer, don't know?
3. Violations of copyright laws: Maybe, don't know?
b)Vocals (extracted from DVD):
1. Available commercially: YES.. in the form of original CD. We are
extracting the music(vocals) from the DVD, but the same exact music is
available in the commercial form in original CD. Commercial here
implies money can be made from it. And technically it shouldn't
matter if you extract vocals from a CD or a DVD... because it's the
same song and the same vocals. Therefore, you are tampering with a
commercially available product.. which definitely implies violation of
copyright laws.
2. Rights owned by: same right-holders as the original CD
3. Violated of copyright: Definitely YES.
Therefore, to conclude, we must note the obvious difference between
just a BGM(not commercially available) vs. Vocals(Commercially
available in form of CD).
The copyright laws regarding BGMs are not very clear and may not be
very well defined in the legal system.. it may be something like...
"All rights of the DVD are owned by the producer"? But we can still
argue that BGMs are by themselves not available to the public in
commercial form. If there is demand for it then maybe these
producers/composers should start making BGMs commercially available...
that way we don't have to go through the process of ripping and
sharing these BGMS. It could be a market they are overlooking and
while they do something about it, we are filling up the void for the
die-hard fans and that too for "free". The "free" part is a big deal
because nobody is making money from these BGMs and that is what it
boils down to.. how much money did the copyright holders lose?
On the other hand, copyright laws of Audio CD are very well defined.
Either the Record Company owns it(most of the times) or the producer
owns it or the composer owns it or they own it partially( Rahman is
working on it).
I believe full length vocals of any song should not be shared..for the
very same reason we do not share full length audio songs from Rahman's
CDs.
Rahman is an excellent corporate citizen and he is our role model. We
should learn from him and follow him in his ideals as true fans. We
as a group and as true Rahman fans are against piracy and plagiarism.
Not just Rahman's... please buy original CDs and DVDs of all the
Artists you like!
Make Rahman Proud,
Wasim.
--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Aravind AM <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ..> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have extracted voice only tracks of songs in Taal and Dil-Se...
But, now I'm having second thoughts on uploading it to the group.
>
> After seeing this series of mails on whether or not sharing this
mail, I'm now thoroughly confused. On reading kaissiom's mail, I
could truly empathise with his argument. Whatever he has mentioned in
his mail makes a lot of sense, and he is totally justified!
>
> Now, I'm torn between the two - joy of sharing and
ethics/copyright issues.
>
> Gopal and Vijay, It would be great if you could give your views on
the same!!
>
>
> Aravind
>
>
>
>
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>
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