ah aah was one such movie released with the bgms ripped from dvd not official
release
--- On Fri, 31/10/08, Thulasi Ram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Thulasi Ram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Simple Solution........Just Release the BGMs legally!
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 31 October, 2008, 11:21 PM
ah aah had release with all BGM compilations. ..
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Dinesh <dinesh.theboss@ hotmail.com> wrote:
no offence, but its highly impossible. if im not mistaken, they
mentioned BOYS would have a second batch release, and that didint happen.
and they even mentioned Sivaji the Boss to have an OST release, but i
dun see any news on it anymore.
its quite tough for a Tamil film to have an original OST release. i
think the only Tamil film that had OST release was Chandramuki, music
by Vidyasagar.
ofcource, there were other movies too, but those was ripped from DVD
as well..
:)
--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "rivjot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I would be over the top of the world and it would be the best day of
> my entire life when that all the BGMs will be released as a box set
> ahhhhh i can only imagine...
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "Chord" <purevibz@> wrote:
> >
> > You know, a lot of this would be put to rest IF THE MUSIC COMPANIES
> > WOULD ONLY RELEASE THE BGM SCORES LEGALLY SO THAT MUSIC LOVERS WORLD
> > OVER CAN ENJOY AWARD WINNING BGM SCORES BY ARR WITHOUT INFRINGING
> > COPYRIGHT LAWS!!! Like what Aamir did for Taare Zameen Par, why can't
> > ARR's BGMS be released along with the DVD as a separate CD? ARR is
> > the master of BGMS! Come on!
> >
> > My dream is that someday, someone, somehow, will release all of ARR's
> > BGMS as a box set package for people to enjoy. Yeah, I know, keep
> > dreaming.... ...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "Amith Chandhran"
> > <amithchandhran@> wrote:
> > >
> > > In my humble opinion, the copyright laws about the recorded work
> on any
> > > recordable media are very well defined in the legal system.
> > >
> > > Copyright recognizes the exclusive right of a creator to gain the
> > commercial
> > > advantage out of his own creation. It is essential to encourage the
> > artists
> > > and composers to invest their creative inputs in the original
works.*
> > >
> > > *Copyright is a bundle of rights which deals with works like:
> Literary,
> > > Dramatic, Musical, Artistic, Cinematographic films, and Sound
> > recordings. A
> > > musical work means any combination of (instrumental or vocal)
melody,
> > > harmony, singing, or either of them, printed, reduced to writing or
> > > otherwise graphically produced or reproduced.
> > >
> > > Where the musical work is comprising a part of the cinematographic
> > film, the
> > > assignees of the copyrights for the cinematographic film will by
> > default own
> > > copyrights in the musical work. Please refer to my earlier email
> on the
> > > copyright issues here:
> > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/arrahmanfa ns/message/ 88353
> > >
> > > The BGMs with which we are concerned as of now, are the part of a
> > movie, and
> > > are intended to be heard/seen/enjoyed as a part of movie, and not
> > otherwise.
> > > Even if we extract them for our own pleasure, in any form
> > (voiceless, with
> > > voice / with or without musical instruments) the copyrights will
still
> > > remain with the original assignee. Since copyright is a bundle of
> > rights,
> > > the assignee who has the copyrights for the movie, will essentially
> > own the
> > > copyrights in the BGMs as well. (*Remember: "All rights of the DVD
> > are owned
> > > by the producer"*) And extracting BGMs will violate the copyright
> laws.
> > >
> > > * *
> > > Where both a CD and a DVD are copyrighted, the copyright laws
will be
> > > applicable to all the work that they contain.
> > >
> > > And unfortunately, the contention
> > > 'we-are-innocent- because-we- are-die-hard- fans-of-Mr. Rahman' is not
> > going to
> > > sustain in any courts in this world. And I am not being sarcastic
> > here, its
> > > the fact.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > -
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:42 AM, kaissiom <kaissiom@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Aravind,
> > > >
> > > > Now you feel the dilemma I have been facing for at least a year or
> > > > two... ever since I heard my BGM on Radio. I have numerous
BGMs and
> > > > other High Quality rips from DVDs that I can't share :(
> > > >
> > > > The fact is... we trust our brothers and sisters on this group
here.
> > > > We are all here for the same purpose... to share and celebrate
> Rahman.
> > > > And it is with this spirit that we share these rare and generally
> > > > unavailable bits and pieces. But once we share something in the
> > > > public space like this group, whatever we share becomes
available to
> > > > the public, who doesn't necessarily have to be a true, devoted,
> > > > dedicated Rahman fan.
> > > >
> > > > You can not imagine the pain I felt when I heard my BGM on the
> Radio.
> > > > And I knew it was my BGM because it was edited.. I had edited
it. I
> > > > felt like I had somehow betrayed Rahman... his hard work. That's
> when
> > > > I made the conscious decision to stop sharing BGMs.. it was right
> > > > after RDB bgms.
> > > >
> > > > Anyhow... I would definitely like to point out one major thing...
> > > > namely the difference between a)BGMs and b)Vocals from DVD
> > > >
> > > > I'm not aware of the copyright laws about the soundtrack on
> DVDs, but
> > > > it would be great if someone(Amith Chandran?) could shed some
> light on
> > > > that. But please notice the difference between the above mentioned
> > > > musical bits from DVD:
> > > >
> > > > a)BGM (Background Music) bits:
> > > > 1. Available commercially: NO.. unless released as a
soundtrack like
> > > > some of the tracks in BOSE.
> > > > 2. Rights owned by: Producer/Composer, don't know?
> > > > 3. Violations of copyright laws: Maybe, don't know?
> > > >
> > > > b)Vocals (extracted from DVD):
> > > > 1. Available commercially: YES.. in the form of original CD.
We are
> > > > extracting the music(vocals) from the DVD, but the same exact
> music is
> > > > available in the commercial form in original CD. Commercial here
> > > > implies money can be made from it. And technically it shouldn't
> > > > matter if you extract vocals from a CD or a DVD... because
it's the
> > > > same song and the same vocals. Therefore, you are tampering with a
> > > > commercially available product.. which definitely implies
> violation of
> > > > copyright laws.
> > > > 2. Rights owned by: same right-holders as the original CD
> > > > 3. Violated of copyright: Definitely YES.
> > > >
> > > > Therefore, to conclude, we must note the obvious difference
between
> > > > just a BGM(not commercially available) vs. Vocals(Commercially
> > > > available in form of CD).
> > > >
> > > > The copyright laws regarding BGMs are not very clear and may
not be
> > > > very well defined in the legal system.. it may be something
like...
> > > > "All rights of the DVD are owned by the producer"? But we can
still
> > > > argue that BGMs are by themselves not available to the public in
> > > > commercial form. If there is demand for it then maybe these
> > > > producers/composers should start making BGMs commercially
> available...
> > > > that way we don't have to go through the process of ripping and
> > > > sharing these BGMS. It could be a market they are overlooking and
> > > > while they do something about it, we are filling up the void
for the
> > > > die-hard fans and that too for "free". The "free" part is a
big deal
> > > > because nobody is making money from these BGMs and that is what it
> > > > boils down to.. how much money did the copyright holders lose?
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, copyright laws of Audio CD are very well
defined.
> > > > Either the Record Company owns it(most of the times) or the
producer
> > > > owns it or the composer owns it or they own it partially(
Rahman is
> > > > working on it).
> > > > I believe full length vocals of any song should not be
> shared..for the
> > > > very same reason we do not share full length audio songs from
> Rahman's
> > > > CDs.
> > > >
> > > > Rahman is an excellent corporate citizen and he is our role
> model. We
> > > > should learn from him and follow him in his ideals as true
fans. We
> > > > as a group and as true Rahman fans are against piracy and
> plagiarism.
> > > > Not just Rahman's... please buy original CDs and DVDs of all the
> > > > Artists you like!
> > > >
> > > > Make Rahman Proud,
> > > > Wasim.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
> <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups. com>,
> > > > Aravind AM <aravind_am@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have extracted voice only tracks of songs in Taal and
Dil-Se...
> > > > But, now I'm having second thoughts on uploading it to the group.
> > > > >
> > > > > After seeing this series of mails on whether or not sharing this
> > > > mail, I'm now thoroughly confused. On reading kaissiom's
mail, I
> > > > could truly empathise with his argument. Whatever he has
> mentioned in
> > > > his mail makes a lot of sense, and he is totally justified!
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, I'm torn between the two - joy of sharing and
> > > > ethics/copyright issues.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gopal and Vijay, It would be great if you could give your
views on
> > > > the same!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Aravind
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://arrahmaniac. blogspot. com
> > > > >
> > > > > Download Rahmania show interviews at http://rahmania. 4shared.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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