Wow you guys are making the magic sound more beautiful. great to learn. Thanks to amit, Gayathri, ricky...keep adding. I had always felt AR's songs usually have a lengthier starting paraghs than the other MDs.
--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "rickypc" <rick...@...> wrote: > > IMHO, the pattern is used by quite a few MDs. In fact, I'd venture to say > that dhuns (sung for bhajans), or qawalis have the same concept where the > tune is repeated twice in chorus and then the third line extends it for the > solo voice. > > However, what is definitely interesting, previously pointed out, and made > popular by ARR is his approach for PHRASE REPETITION. Consider: > > Dil hai chotasa > --- chotisi aasha > Masti bhare mann ki > --- bholisi aasha > > In two lines, the word aasha appears twice and has a powerful impact. This > can be observed many times: > > TAAL > 'Ishq bina' kya jeen yara > 'Ishq bina' kya marna > > RDB > 'Thodisi dhool' mere dharti .. > 'Thodisi dhool' mere... > > MEENAXI > 'Yeh rishta'... > 'Yeh rishta' kya kehlata hai > 'Yeh rishta' kya kehlata hai > > SAATHIYA (very very unique experiment, where each line takes the previous > line forward) > Jhooth kapat chalke ne... > Jhooth kapat chalke ne...moh se naina > moh se naina ...milaike > moh se naina ...milaike > Palko mein bandh karleni > Palko mein bandh karleni > > DILLI6 > 'Rehna tu hai jaise tu' thodasa dard tu, thoda junoon > 'Rehna tu hai jaise tu' dheema dheema jhonka ya phir junoon > > BLUE > In the song...Bhoola tujhe.. > the repetition of the phrase 'ya khuda' > > > -Ricky > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Gayathri Chandrakasan <gayathri_ck17@> > wrote: > > > > Good observation but I feel that Amith was talking more about the > > difference in the music pattern rather than the the way lyrics work around > > thaalam. > > > > To quote your example: > > "Kadhal Rojavae is 1-2 Engae Nee-engae is 3-4 > > > > Kanneer Vazhiyuthadi Kannae is 5-6-7-8" > > > > In the above observation, you mentioned that the lyricist tried to fit the > > lyrics into the 1-2 then3-4 and then 5-6-7-8. > > > > But you may notice that 1-2 and 3-4 has similar pattern of music but > > 5-6-7-8 seems like a different pattern altogether. I don't think it's the > > time of thaalam which causes the difference. Even if we break the 5-6 and > > 7-8, they still sound like a different pattern altogether. > > > > Observe this: > > Kadhal Rojave 1-2 ; Engae Nee Engae 3-4; > > Kanner vazhiyuthadi 5-6; Kan- nae 7-8; > > > > The pattern of 5-6 and 7-8 still don't coincide with 1-2 and 3-4. That's > > the reason why Amith call it 3 line pattern because, the first two lines > > have similar tunes and notes but the notes changes slighty when it comes to > > the 3rd line. > > > > Coming back to Amit's observation of 3 line pattern, I must admit that due > > to my limited knowledge in music, I always assumed that most songs are > > composed in the similar manner. > > > > For example Pyar Hua Chupke Se from 1942 A love story has somewhat a > > similar pattern with the inclusion of line 4 that is similar to to line 3. > > > > Dil ne kaha chupke se > > Yeh kya > > hua chupke se > > Kyon naye lag rahe hai yeh > > dharatii gagan > > Main ne puuchha to bolii yeh > > pagalii pavan > > > > Chande Tare from Yes Boss > > Chaand Taare Tod Laoon > > Saari Duniya Par Main Chhaoon > > Bas Itna Sa Khwaab Hai > > > > It seems like most MDs have used the "different pattern music" in composing > > the > > first stanza/pallavi. Care to throw more light into this discussion? > > > > Regards, > > Gayathri > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/22/09, rameshksm <rameshksm@> wrote: > > > > From: rameshksm <rameshksm@> > > Subject: [arr] Re: The 3 Lines Pattern > > To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 12:58 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right about it being a musical pattern...but it > > is not unique to ARR nor to any one music director... > > > > > > > > It is simply the result of "time" or "thaalam" that you are noticing such > > three-line patterns. > > > > > > > > To put it Mathematically, if the time for a particular song goes > > 1-2-3-4-5-6- 7-8, the lyricist may write to fit to 1-2 3-4 5-6-7-8 (which > > give you the three-line pattern you notice, all with in the first full > > time) or the lyricist may see fit to write to 1-2-3-4 5-6-7-8 1-2-3-4-5-6- > > 7-8, where the three-line pattern is now spread over twice the time. > > > > > > > > For the first type, Kadhal Rojavae is an excellent example. > > > > Kadhal Rojavae is 1-2 Engae Nee-engae is 3-4 > > > > Kanneer Vazhiyuthadi Kannae is 5-6-7-8 > > > > > > > > For the second type, Ilayaraja's excellent composition for Nilavae Vaa from > > Mouna Raagam. > > > > Nilaavae Vaa Selladhae Vaa is 1-2-3-4 > > > > EnnaLum Un ponvaanam naan is 5-6-7-8 > > > > Enai Needhan Pirindhaalum Ninaivaalae Anaithaenae is 1-2-3-4-5-6- 7-8. > > > > > > > > Note that 1-2-3-4-5-6- 7-8 are just the times and do not correspond to any > > specific note. I am not formally trained in music, but I can decipher > > patterns and this is what I noted, so experts please correct any errors and > > omissions I may have made. > > > > > > > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Amith Chandhran <amithchandhran@ > > ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > While randomly listening to some AR songs, all of a sudden I discovered > > > > > something. I am calling it 'The 3 Lines Pattern'. > > > > > > > > > > (I personally feel its a musical pattern. Because you find it in almost > > > all > > > > > the languages.) > > > > > > > > > > Let me cite some random examples in different languages. > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > *Example 1: Language Tamil* > > > > > > > > > > kaadhal roajaavae, > > > > > engae? nee engae? > > > > > kanneer vazhiyudhadi kannae! > > > > > > > >
