Exactly! That is why many people are getting "ripped off" for paying $10 a month to send/receive text. The way I also understand it is SMS is on the cellular backbone channel that is in use no matter if you use text or not. Sure there is some maintenance costs/effort for the carrier that comes with providing SMS but probably nothing close to what they are making off the texting plans they sell. It is more or less free money.
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Joe D'Souza <jdso...@shyle.net> wrote: > ** > > You are right about that the signal required for sending an SMS is bare > minimal compared to what is required for voice. From what I was once told > when I was working on a Telecom project about 5 years ago, was that the > signal required to send a text based SMS message is the ping that is > required by the device to ‘stay alive’ in the network. Its not > significantly more than that, which is why many countries bundled SMS as a > FREE service, priced in with the cost of voice. This explains why you would > still receive an SMS when hiking on hill tops when you have almost less > than a bar.**** > > ** ** > > MMS messages however take more bandwith, as would data connections for > email.**** > > ** ** > > Skype does have a API that is available to purchase, but no web services > yet to the best of my knowledge.**** > > ** ** > > Joe**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: > arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Shellman, David > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 05, 2013 8:03 AM > > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > *Subject:* Re: SMS > **** > > ** ** > > Joe,**** > > ** ** > > I’m not an expert but have been given some insight into of differences > between SMS and Email. Some of those conversations were with very > knowledgeable folks that support the TelAlert product and some from sales > engineers with AT&T. If memory serves me correct, SMS is part of the voice > channel. Receiving an SMS requires less signal of a shorter duration that > the data connection requires for email. While we think mobile phone > technology is everywhere I go to some regions of Virginia where AT&T does > not have much of a presence. Getting email and SMS can be a challenge. > There are times when hiking ridge tops, we will pick up enough of a signal > that we can receive/send an SMS. It’s not strong enough to receive/send > email. I know this is an extreme example but the same analogy can be made > deep in a building or a shielded data center.**** > > ** ** > > Email also does not have a routing priority associated with it. You will > get the email but it might be in seconds, minutes, or hours. Hours can be > extreme these days but it can happen.**** > > ** ** > > TelAlert is configurable to use messaging applications like AIM and > Yahoo. Not sure about Skype or Gtalk as these are more recent additions to > that space. However they are probably looking at how to integrate them.** > ** > > ** ** > > Dave. **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: > arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Joe D'Souza > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 05, 2013 5:27 AM > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > *Subject:* Re: SMS**** > > ** ** > > ** **** > > That’s a good case for when your system is provisioning services for > internal customers – agreed there.**** > > ** ** > > I still am in favor of seeking possibilities to integrate to messaging > applications like Skype or AIM or Yahoo or GTalk in case they have > published integration points like WSDL or their API’s. Its just kind of > hard to sell some of those ideas to most managements who evaluate their > options using dollars and cents – pounds shillings and pence.. :-)**** > > ** ** > > Joe**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ > mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] *On Behalf Of *Shellman, > David > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 04, 2013 9:57 PM > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > *Subject:* Re: SMS**** > > ** ** > > Joe,**** > > ** ** > > I can be hard to send email to alert your email team that the email server > is down.**** > > ** ** > > Dave**** > > > On Jun 4, 2013, at 8:16 PM, "Joe D'Souza" <jdso...@shyle.net> wrote:**** > > ** **** > > I just had another thought on this (which was honestly fueled by a > discussion I had with a fellow Remedy developer at the WWRUG on a similar > related topic about integrating into popular messaging/chat systems.)**** > > **** > > With almost a good 70 to 80% of us who have phones that are email capable, > do you really want to spend whatever it needs to have your system send an > SMS message in this day and age? Most phones are perfectly capable of > receiving emails from at least 1 email address. So why not just send an > email? Chances are 100% of phones in the very near future will be email > capable.**** > > **** > > So it really goes down to whether it’s worth spending the time and money > it needs to stage a system that is SMS capable, to bridge the gap of those > users that do not have email capable phones. The larger that gap, the more > sense it might make to invest in that system.**** > > **** > > Just a thought.**** > > **** > > Joe**** > > **** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Joe D'Souza [mailto:jdso...@shyle.net <jdso...@shyle.net>] > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 04, 2013 3:46 PM > *To:* ARS Discussion List > *Subject:* RE: SMS**** > > **** > > True about web services being perhaps a lot cheaper option if available. > Great suggestion.**** > > **** > > Joe**** > > **** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ > mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] *On Behalf Of *Steve > Kallestad > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 04, 2013 3:34 PM > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > *Subject:* Re: SMS**** > > **** > > ** **** > > Telalert got *very* expensive and full of unnecessary bells and whistles. > (they bundle it with their own help desk software and do voice recognition > if I remember correctly, things like that)**** > > **** > > I still see telalert out there at a few customers, but most people are > using SMS to email gateways or blackberry. I think if you contact them > they will still sell licenses for the old version that is strictly for > paging, but they don't advertise it.**** > > **** > > There are a number of web services that are open for integration that will > confirm delivery, but my experience with testing them out is that they are > about as reliable as the email gateways but with the email gateways you > can contact the telco about fixing delivery problems (like if your email > servers get flagged as a spammer)**** > > **** > > Integrating with a SIM card device / hosted provider is expensive and > takes a long time for approval mainly because it's generally used for > advertising and even with all the alerts remedy sends, the volume will fall > far short of what those are typically used for.**** > > **** > > If you want to receive messages as well - it's a choice of either hosting > a SIM card or leveraging a web service. Some providers will post the > inbound messages to a web service, others convert it to an email, and > others will allow you to poll a web service.**** > > **** > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Joe D'Souza <jdso...@shyle.net> wrote:*** > * > > ** **** > > EtherPage <http://www.ppt.com/perl/itgui.pl?handler=home/index> was a > tool I used a really long time ago, that can do it. They had changed owners > once and I do not recall the entire history but it appears like they are > still around.**** > > **** > > Another tool that I used was TelAlert <http://www.mir3.com/telalert/>. It > used to be bundled with Remedy.**** > > **** > > In my experience I found EtherPage a little more easier to setup and > maintain way back then. The dynamics may have changed by now.**** > > **** > > Joe**** > > **** > > PS: I am not sure if the hyperlinks I have attached to these products are > accurate. Didn’t have the time to verify.**** > > **** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: > arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Grooms, Frederick W > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 04, 2013 3:07 PM > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > *Subject:* SMS**** > > **** > > Has anyone done an integration with ARS and sending/receiving SMS text > messages?**** > > **** > > Fred**** > > _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: > "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ > _______________________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org "Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years"
