Brian, I agree with most of what you said there except for the paragraph on On Demand solution. I don't see how that effects whether you need a remedy developer or not. It's a managed solution that saves you infrastructure costs such as maintaining the hardware and paying for a DBA etc... It doesn't mean that you will no longer need developers or admins. Yes, BMC offers Prof Services packages but you'll still be paying $200+ per hour. I'd argue that it would free up your developers for doing actual development instead of figuring out how to tune a DB or optimize memory on a windows box.
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Brian Pancia <panc...@finityit.com> wrote: > David, > > Those are typically low bid jobs and sourced by recruitment companies. > $50/yr all inclusive sounds like 1099 work. Travel and salary should always > be separate. As an employee at a junior to mid-level, $50/hr plus benefits > is not that bad. > > What I have seen in the government contracting world with Remedy is a Remedy > Developer with 10+ years' experience is looking to make $150+K a year. Seems > fair. However, said Remedy Developer latest experience is ARS 7.5 and the > Service Desk application only. Said developer also has no formal training or > college education and still demands $150+K a year. For government > contracting the position the company bid on requires 10+ years' experience > and a bachelor's degree. Just from a compliance standpoint this person is > out of the running for the position. Now let's say the customer is looking > to upgrade from 7.6.04 to 8.1 (overlay era). Said Remedy developer has never > worked with overlays. If you were the company would you risk putting this > person on a job as a senior remedy > developer/architect/guru/sme/genius/whatever title? This is the dilemma. > > Now take Remedy OnDemand or ServiceNow, which essentially is a managed > solution. As a decision maker would you rather spend tons of money on O&M > for a Remedy system or have it as a managed solution? The managed solution > is starting to win and become more widely accepted. From a pure economics > standpoint that means more remedy developers will be looking for work and > salaries will drive down. Add to that government cutbacks, which impact both > commercial and government. A Remedy developer 10 years ago is not worth the > same price today. I'd be willing to argue 10 years from now a Remedy > developer will not exist. > > So ridiculous may not be so ridiculous, just a sign that things are changing. > > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of David Charters > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:30 AM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: REMEDY ADMIN NEEDED in Colorado Springs, CO - SECRET CLEARANCE - > 6 Month Contract to Hire - $80-100K (Based on experience) - Contract Rate > $38-48/hr > > I am just very frustrated with receiving emails that want an ITSM Remedy ITIL > V3 for $50.00 all inclusive. That is just completely ridiculous. Maybe I am > just too old school. I know a company in Chicago that does nothing except > convert Remedy customers to Service Now. They have 190 employees and that is > all they do. > > Sincerely, > > David Charters > Charters Technologies > 317-331-8985 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Brian Pancia > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:57 AM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: REMEDY ADMIN NEEDED in Colorado Springs, CO - SECRET CLEARANCE > - 6 Month Contract to Hire - $80-100K (Based on experience) - Contract Rate > $38-48/hr > > Interesting conversation. I think the salary is pretty good given the area > and the fact they are looking for an Admin. This could be a great > opportunity for someone who has only been doing Remedy for a couple years. > > I've interviewed and hired a number of Remedy Admin and Developers over the > years. A challenge we face is that we get a lot of developers that have been > working with Remedy for years. However, the last version they worked on was > 4 releases back or they never worked with the ITSM Suite. In my opinion this > puts you at a junior level despite the years of experience. > This is a hard pill for some to swallow. This is like an organization > looking for a Windows Admin that last worked with Windows NT. From what I > have seen over the years there is a disconnect between years' experience and > level of expertise. They are not the same. > > As far as security clearances go. For a Secret clearance there shouldn't be > a huge salary increase. Interim Secret clearances can go through fairly > quickly in most cases. When you get to some of the other clearance levels > out there it is a little different, but I don't think the salaries are a huge > difference. Just my two cents. > > Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Differ, Alfred W CTR PHD NSWC, 210 > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:05 PM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: REMEDY ADMIN NEEDED in Colorado Springs, CO - SECRET CLEARANCE > - 6 Month Contract to Hire - $80-100K (Based on experience) - Contract Rate > $38-48/hr > > This is a good discussion about the distinctions involved in the type of work > we all do and how the cost of living impacts offers. > It is even more cool when people in the area speak up in defense of the group > recruiting for the job. It helps all of us sift out the real people from the > wanna-bees. > > Whoever goes for this will have a clearer idea of what they are applying for > now. 8) > > > I've done both contract and FTE work and I know there is no good way to > compare rate expectations. The 2x factor for 1099 contracts is just a start. > > > Good luck to all involved. > > -al > > > Alfred Differ - Sr. Database Engineer > NDTI / NSWC PHD > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Longwing, Lj > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 1:13 PM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: REMEDY ADMIN NEEDED in Colorado Springs, CO - SECRET CLEARANCE > - 6 Month Contract to Hire - $80-100K (Based on experience) - Contract Rate > $38-48/hr > > ** > True....but the rate you get paid daily isn't the same as requiring > relocation assistance to take the job...that can be negotiated with the > hiring company :) > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Brian Goralczyk <bgoralc...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > ** > I think the issue that people are bringing up when saying the rates > are low is that basically you are limiting yourself to people in the area. > Anyone outside the area that might have to travel can't afford to for that > rate unless someone else is picking up the tab. > > Even if you consider moving for the job, the rate is to low to cover > moving expenses in most peoples eyes. > > But like everyone else, this is my view. > > Brian Goralczyk > > Brian Goralczyk > Phone 574-643-1144 > Email bgoralc...@gmail.com > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Longwing, Lj <llongw...@usgs.gov> > wrote: > > > ** > I think the 'rate' discussion is more complicated than all of > that. I have been a Remedy developer in my area for 15+ years....I know my > value, and am certainly nowhere NEAR a 'Junior' developer. I know the cost > of living ranges in Colorado Springs and I can honestly say that I have > worked for the rate discussed in this posting. > > If I lived say...in DC, where many of the 'government' jobs > come out of...no, this rate would be an insult and wouldn't provide a > sufficient income to live comfortably.....but in a country where the poverty > line sits somewhere around $20K/year, I can't say a job paying 5 times that > is a 'bad' job by any means. > > It's true that Colorado Springs is not Virginia/DC/New > York/Washington, as far as markets are concerned....but the rates that are > typically discussed on the list are, as you said 'contract' rates...and the > rate being discussed in this posting is an employee rate. > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Ars Lister > <kp_ars...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > ** > The truth is, for a regular salaried employee, the > salary is OK and the rates translate into salary. Contractors typically do > not get holidays, sick days, vacation days, or personal days. If it's a W-2 > contract rate, they MAY get access to the medical aspect of the benefit plans > but are typically not invited into the 401K aspect. Ergo, translating > salaries into rates are improper and non-competitive. > > As for stability, I and several of my associates have > had 1-2 year engagements at more than double those rates at numerous > companies and governmental agencies. Stability does not define the value of > the skillset on the market. If you're able to leverage people who do not > know their value on the market-- kudos. If your cost of living is lower than > other markets, then yes, a reduction of $10-20 on the rate may still be > competitive. But over half? Then like someone said earlier, you must be > looking for a junior person. > > PS: Remedy Administrator used to mean Remedy > Developer but in this day and age, it usually means someone who is > configuring the applications with data. The advertised rates are appropriate > for Remedy Admins with that detail as that is a science in itself, but no > where close to what it takes to be a Developer regardless of level. However, > the description of the position indicates that the old-school definition is > being used-- you all want a seasoned Developer. In that case, those rates > are wayyyyy off. It is what it is. > > From: "Lockwood, Teresa L" <tlockw...@tyco.com> > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 1:18 PM > > Subject: Re: REMEDY ADMIN NEEDED in Colorado Springs, > CO - SECRET CLEARANCE - 6 Month Contract to Hire - $80-100K (Based on > experience) - Contract Rate $38-48/hr > > > ** > Thank you Nathan! I'm sure most of us are reading > these replies thinking how crazy it is for folks to be responding about how > little money this is. I've been doing Remedy administration since Remedy > owned the company and still don't make more than this job is offering. > Either I'm grossly underpaid or folks have forgotten what's it's like to work > for a company with benefits. I've never contracted as I've always worked for > a large company but the salary for this company seems in line with what I've > seen. Sorry, that's my 2 cents ;) > > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Nathan Aker > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 1:06 PM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: REMEDY ADMIN NEEDED in Colorado Springs, > CO - SECRET CLEARANCE - 6 Month Contract to Hire - $80-100K (Based on > experience) - Contract Rate $38-48/hr > > ** > I'm continually amazed at the amount of people who > chime in to ARSList to roast someone who posts a job for a stationary basic > Remedy position offering 6 figures as though they have somehow insulted your > worth and hurt your market value. This is a stationary position for an ADMIN > role, with opportunity for conversion. This is not a 6mth - year long > CMDB architect position traveling to Iran people. I'm sure a 3-5 year > experienced person who wants a stable job with no travel would be very > interested... I know, I've helped interview and hire a number of people in > this range successfully over the last 5 years. > > Agreed this would be light for a traveling senior > contracting position for short term, but it's been clearly stated it's not. > > Nathan Aker > ITSM Solution Architect > > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of David Charters > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:17 AM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: REMEDY ADMIN NEEDED in Colorado Springs, > CO - SECRET CLEARANCE - 6 Month Contract to Hire - $80-100K (Based on > experience) - Contract Rate $38-48/hr > > ** > maybe they're just looking for newbies that just know > how to do real basic stuff > > > Sincerly, > > David Charters > Charters Technologies > 317-331-8985 > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Carl Wilson <carlbwil...@gmail.com> > Date: 09/11/2013 8:32 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: REMEDY ADMIN NEEDED in Colorado Springs, > CO - SECRET CLEARANCE - 6 Month Contract to Hire - $80-100K (Based on > experience) - Contract Rate $38-48/hr > > > ** > Don't normally chime in on these but .... > Wow, $340 - 360 USD a day is very low (UK rates start > at around £350+ = $550+ USD) ... Security clearance can add a fair amount of > value to that. > > BTW: How are you Matt, been a long time J (you going > to WWRUG?, I seen Mr David Savino is ...) > > > > Kind Regards, > > Carl Wilson > > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Matt Moore > Sent: 11 September 2013 23:57 > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: REMEDY ADMIN NEEDED in Colorado Springs, > CO - SECRET CLEARANCE - 6 Month Contract to Hire - $80-100K (Based on > experience) - Contract Rate $38-48/hr > > ** As stated in the job description, this is an admin > position, and the secret clearance can be processed. 48/hr is above market > rate for Colorado Springs, CO. Typically remedy administrators in Colorado > Springs will make $40-45/hr. All of our certified/cleared folks are working > with current clients of ours. The most we are currently paying those > contractors is 45/hr. Hopefully this answers your questions! > On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Differ, Alfred W CTR > PHD NSWC, 210 <alfred.differ....@navy.mil> wrote: > With an active clearance? > > I hope not. > > -al > > > Alfred Differ - Sr. Database Engineer > NDTI / NSWC PHD > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of David Charters > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:45 PM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: REMEDY ADMIN NEEDED in Colorado Springs, > CO - SECRET CLEARANCE - 6 Month Contract to Hire - $80-100K (Based on > experience) - Contract Rate $38-48/hr > > $48.00/hr? Does anyone worth their Remedy salt work > for that kind of rate? Maybe 2 x 48? > > Sincerely, > > David Charters > Charters Technologies > 317-331-8985 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Matt Moore > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:06 PM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: REMEDY ADMIN NEEDED in Colorado Springs, CO > - SECRET CLEARANCE - 6 Month Contract to Hire - $80-100K (Based on > experience) - Contract Rate $38-48/hr > > ****Colorado Springs, CO - SECRET CLEARANCE - 6 Month > Contract to Hire - $80-100K (Based on experience) - Contract Rate > $38-48/hr***** > > Top Three Skills: > 1.BMC Certified Administrator: BMC Remedy AR System > 7.5 or higher 2.Producing technical requirements and design documentation > 3.Provide systems administration on servers that house Remedy Applications > > Job Description: > > *Produce technical requirements and design > documentation that describes system requirements, performance criteria, data > flows, and end-user interfaces. > *Develop, change, test and deploy at least 5 NEC > Information Technology Infrastrusture Library (ITIL) processes into Remedy > processes averaged per month. > *Use the Remedy Administrator tool to tune and modify > Remedy escalations, notifications, filters, active links and forms. > *Administer application data daily. > *Patch the Remedy Applications monthly or as needed. > *Work with internal and external agencies to ensure > the Remedy suite of applications are being fully supported. > *Execute database queries, create database tables, and > tune database performance daily. > *Provide system administration on servers that house > the Remedy Applications. > > > Education/Experience: > * AA degree in IT, or related field, or a combination > of education and work experience equivalency. > * Must have excellent interpersonal skills including > tact and diplomacy. > * Must have excellent verbal and written > communications skills. > Other: > * Must have or be able to obtain Secret security > clearance * Must have CompTIA Security + certification * BMC Certified > Administrator: BMC Remedy AR System 7.5 or higher > > > ALL OCCUPATIONS LISTED ABOVE RECEIVE THE FOLLOWING > BENEFITS: > > HEALTH & WELFARE: $3.81 per hour or $152.40 per week > or $660.40 per month (TAX FREE) > > VACATION: 2 weeks paid vacation after 1 year of > service with a contractor or successor; 3 weeks after 5 years, 4 weeks after > 15 years, and 5 weeks after 25 years. > Length of service includes the whole span of > continuous service with the present contractor or successor, wherever > employed, and with the predecessor contractors in the performance of similar > work at the same Federal facility. 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