The purpose of the complaints and my apology to the group were to get you to stop talking about me, and start talking about Asbury.
I'll even let your last post be the last word on the matter. Now, back to Asbury Park... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], > In reference to your comment: > > > The difference in Mario's posts is he never deconstructs the > argument or idea, he tries to deconstruct the person. Consider > these from him (only since yesterday!): > > > > Never deconstructs? > > The cherry picking you did for those brief phrases ignores the long, > excruciatingly long and boring for some here I'm sure, decontructing I've done here > on several matters. > > One example (_http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/18429_ > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/18429) ) below: > > > In reference to Tommy's comment: > > > Stop stretching so far you're going to pull something. > > > > Yeah? Like the following stretching and pulling you "achieved"? > > > I checked out the link to the video which you claimed showed that Zinn > advocated assassinating the president. I watched it several times. > > 1. In that clip, the image of the aimed gun lasted about two seconds. > 2. That image was apparently placed there, next to Zinn, by whoever created > the video. > 3. I found nothing indicating that Zinn approved of that juxtaposition. > 3. I haven't yet found the origin of that image; my guess is that it is > connected with a movie that will be released Oct 27. > > Could you not be accused of a major stretch or, worse yet, "Swiftboat > Journalism": > > 1. Two second gun clip. > 2. placed next to clip of Zinn by someone other > than Zinn. > 3. Keady recommends reading Zinn. > 4. Calls for Keady's > resignation, in print and on the web. > > > #4. Now That's pulling something. > > > > > > ========Original Message======== > Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: Tom Date: 10/22/2006 5:09:08 P.M. Eastern Standard > Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) To: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) Sent on: > > > > Dan I'm glad you brought this up so I can take the chance to > highlight a difference. > > There is a difference between pointing out flaws in someone's > argument, and pointing out a flaw in their person. > > Check my post. I said Keady's plan was Cracker; I didn't say he > was a Cracker. Identifying his idea as Cracker is no different than > identifying it as good or bad, right or left, correct or incorrect, > christian or heathen, etc. Calling it Cracker is to take a certain > measure of it no differently than those other measurements. > > For the record, I do maintain that a response to a teenager in a > Black community getting shot in the face, that Basketball is the > missing piece of the puzzle, is very "Cracker." I'm arguing against > the idea, not the person bringing it. I would call the idea Cracker > if a Black person had brought it up. It is Cracker. > > The difference in Mario's posts is he never deconstructs the > argument or idea, he tries to deconstruct the person. Consider > these from him (only since yesterday!): > > ...You have a penchant for⦠> > â¦compensate for incompetence or ignorance... > > â¦didn't seem to remember their courses in documentation and ethics... > > ...Tommy, Poster Boy⦠> > â¦intellectualâ¦â¦intellec > â¦cagey lawyer⦠> > â¦Physician, heal thyself. And reverends, pray for more self > knowledge⦠> > â¦you just don't understand complex thought or nuance⦠> > See the difference? His posts don't attempt to point out a defect in > the person's argument, they attempt to point out a defect in the > person. > > I'm pretty sure the complaints I saw on this board were about that > sort of thing. I'm going to do my best to respect those who > complained and not do it. Whether others do or don't remains to be > seen. > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , > "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'll put it in language you can understand Tom, something that I > > know you and I are sensitive to. How would you like it if someone > on > > this forum called you a GINNIE, a WOP, or how about a mafia lawyer? > > > > Cracker > > > > Historically the word suggested poor, white rural Americans with > > little formal education. Historians point out the term originally > > referred to the strong Scots-Irish of the backcountry (as opposed > to > > the English of the seacoast). Thus a sociologist reported in > > 1926, "As the plantations expanded these freed men (formerly bond > > servants) were pushed further and further back upon the more and > > more sterile soil. They became 'pinelanders, more sterile soil. m > > or 'crackers.'" [Kephard Highlanders] Frederick Law Olmsted, a > > prominent landscape architect from the northern United States, > > visited the South as a journalist in the 1850s and noted that some > > crackers "owned a good many negroes, and were by no means so poor > as > > their appearance indicated." > > > > In the African American community, "cracker" is a disparaging term > > for whites. (The OED cites the 1830s origin of white trash as a > word > > used by slaves on rich plantations to ridicule poor whites.) > > > > Since 1900 "cracker" has become a proud or jocular self- > description. > > With the huge influx of new residents from the North, "cracker" is > > now used informally by some white residents of Florida and Georgia > > ("Florida cracker" or "Georgia cracker") to indicate that their > > family has lived there for many generations. > > > > However, the term "white cracker" is not always used self- > > referentially and remains a disparaging term to many in the region > > > Yahoo! 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