--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
The plan is to attract people year round, I for one don't want year
round attractions. Come labor day I want all visiters out. Do we
really need tons of traffic year round? But that's what everbody
wants. To make it a place of desination it must be different. Give
them the summer give us the rest.
But what are your feelings about the artists rendering of the
redevelopment?
> Do you see them creating a mall by the sea with very little
sensitivity to preserving what
> little is left of Asbury's heritage?
> Maybe i'm very much in the minority on this, but I figured I'd put
it out there.
> All I can see is Pier Village come to Asbury, just in a different
configuration.
> And, while the influx of retailers would probably give a boost to
AP, my main worry is the
> character of Asbury is going to disappear. For me, I don't want to
live anywhere near a
> retailcentric mall by the sea, but like I said, that's just me.
> I avoid Red Bank for the same reason. Nothing there for me but hard
to find parking and a
> reason to spend money.
> I'm really saddened by the homogenization of the American
landscape. In time, I fear a
> person could be plunked down in any populated place in our country,
and see the same
> things, same stores. Just like on the Flintstones. Whenever they
went for a drive, the same
> tree, rock house tree rock house goes by endlessly.
> Boring in my opinion.
> I'm sure that there are many others who like this "sameness".
> It's familiar and safe, but it's not for me.
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
<justifiedright@> wrote:
> >
> > Your source is wrong. Tell him I said so. MM laid out some
> > conditions that are currently being met. Once completed, MM
starts
> > their work.
> >
> > From your recount of your source's info, it became clear that it
was
> > all made up when your source started to make MM sound like a
social
> > justice organization and not a business:
> >
> > "Oh we think this deal is weighted too much our favor as a
> > developer. Clearly we have to re-work that."
> >
> > Yea right.
> >
> > MM is in as soon as the contingencies are satisfied by Asbury
> > Partners.
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have it on good sources that MM has not done a deal with
> > Fishman,
> > > and quite frankly, may not do anything if Fishman and Partners
> > stay
> > > in the deal. They are quite fed up with these bunch of losers
and
> > > continually shake their heads at how a city could have possibly
> > given
> > > the redevelopment rights to these bunch of amateurs.
> > >
> > > Fishman wants to be a partner with MM on the retail. MM wants
them
> > > out. They are upset that Partners was not meeting the
timeframes
> > of
> > > the dispute resolution agreement (Csino, 5th Ave Pav, etc.).
> > Partners
> > > did not want to do the work (expend the money) without a signed
> > > contract with MM. MM said no way, you have to do the work
anyway,
> > > even if you have no deal with us or anyone. Then Partners said
> > they
> > > would do the work without a contract if they were reimbursed by
> > MM.
> > > MM gave the same answer. These are your responsibilities.
> > >
> > > MM is now aware of the entire cabal in this deal (Aaron,
Fiaella,
> > > Weldon, etc.) and may not even want to tarnish its image even
if
> > MM
> > > owned the retail alone. MM may be moving to get Partners out
> > > completely and take over the entire redevelopment. Also, they
> > think
> > > the WRP needs reworking - the waterfront is walled off by too
tall
> > > buildings, not enough parking, not enough access (giving away
> > streets
> > > and closing them). And believe it or not, MM feels that the WRA
is
> > > too one sided in favor of the developer. They do not want to be
> > party
> > > to a deal that smells of impropriety. They also need to look at
> > the
> > > eminent domain aspects - how fair they really are. These sound
> > like
> > > good people. They are coming to the realization that Fishman
and
> > > Partners must go. Anyone with real estate experience shakes
their
> > > head at what has been going on here for the past 5 years.
> > >
> > > On another note. I also hear that Westminister is not putting
any
> > > more money into Welsey Grove and that they are trying to unload
> > the
> > > project. Hovanian took a pass. Also, funding has supposedly
been
> > cut
> > > off to Metro because of no presales.
> > >
> > > I am also told that our tax rate may have to be drastically
> > increased
> > > next year because of a decrease in ratables stemming from
Partners
> > > demolishing of improvements. I heard that $2 million of
ratables
> > > dissappeared through the wrecking ball.
> > >
> > > There has to be drastic changes in this town by the council. It
is
> > > time for them to wake up. Partners must take a payment and
walk.
> > We
> > > may be headed for a train wreck.
> > >
> >
>
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