Where are there other similar plants? What if any accidents have occurred?
Have the nearby shores been affected negatively?
Do they disturb in any way the water wildlife?
Who are the scientists against the project? Is there a reputable non
partisan org that can be called upon. One from outside the area with
no incestuous ties to the power players.
What kind of effort is being put into green energy and green jobs in
NJ? Are any of our local leaders out in front on this? Should be a no
brainer at this stage of the game.
NJ has a habit of being a sucker to polluters. If that isn't obvious
to you I am not quite sure what to say to you. The need for our own
energy production is obvious Tommy, the best ways to do that less so.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The Susan Powter reference was a hoot.
>
> When a town that relies on the cleanliness of its ocean for income is
> about to have something as massive and disruptive as a LNG plant built
> off its shore, there are questions that need to be asked. There is a
> dialogue that needs reverence.
>
> Tommy, if you can honestly say that Americans have no reason to pause
> when a corporation wants to do something like this, you are incredibly
> naive. That doesn't mean business is "bad" and environmental
> organizations are "good". It means that corporations can and have
> gotten away with things a human being could never get away with and
> that is dangerous. Founding fathers warned us about this.
>
> Not that "yes sir" republicans would care.
>
> Just a fair and open dialogue. Its very American.
>
>
>
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
> <justifiedright@> wrote:
> >
> > If I understand you AsburyCouple, your assertion is that I'm wrong
> > for having an answer. I should not see it as black and white.
> >
> > You think I have made the environmentalists who will oppose the this
> > object of scorn.
> >
> > I invite you to look at Clean Ocean Action's website.
> >
> > Like me they have made up their mind.
> >
> > Are you equally upset with them for having an answer, for seeing it
> > in Black and White?
> >
> > If you are being fair, you must.
> >
> > Their answer is contrary to mine.
> >
> > Talk about scorn? Hyperbole?
> >
> > The top of their LNG page says "Stop the Insanity!" (Susan Powter?)
> >
> > They call the proposed development "Insanity Island."
> >
> > They promote a YouTube video with no scientists, rather - you can
> > guess it - Hollywood actors and actresses (and surfer).
> >
> > I wrote down some of their argument (which is as I predicted):
> >
> > "Corporate" (a bad thing?) money-makers (a bad thing?) dangerous
> > and the people involved "Don't care" [precisely, 100% as I
> > predicted they would say]>
> >
> > Global warming thrown in as a scare for good measure.
> >
> > AND THE BIG LIE: EVEN CLAIMING AND EXPLOSION WOULD BE AS POWERFUL
> > AS A NUCLEAR BOMB!
> >
> > BWAAAAHAAAHAAHAAAAHAAAHAAHAA!
> >
> > Hey, don't these people believe that George Bush conned us into war
> > by a false nuclear scare? Did they adopt his tactics?
> >
> > My point is, we need to build these terminals, so we can buy from
> > friend and not enemies, de-regionalize the price structure, and have
> > the infrastructure to ship to ourselves our own production if need
> > be.
> >
> >
> > So what's your answer, AsburyCouple: Is Clean Ocean Action wrong
> > for having already decided on a position, or is it just me?
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <asburycouple@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't know the right answer. However Tom, you asked for more
> > > clarification on my prior post. Well, here it is below. The
> > world
> > > is completely black and white. Your point of view is 100% right,
> > and
> > > those who disagree are proactively villified:
> > >
> > > "'Environmentalists' will oppose it at all costs. They
> > > will "personalize" and declare anyone who disagrees with them as
> > > greedy people who hate the earth."
> > >
> > > So rather than looking at a reasonable dialog around the pros and
> > > cons - it's a black and white world where anyone who disagrees is
> > a
> > > target for scorn.
> > >
> > > Honestly, is there anyone on this board, whether conservative or
> > > liberal, who doesn't understand what I'm saying. Other than you
> > > Tom...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
> > > <justifiedright@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The answer here is easy - build it. 100% build it.
> > > >
> > > > America uses about 90 quadrillion BTU of energy each year.
> > > >
> > > > We produce about 70 quadrillion BTU.
> > > >
> > > > That means we have to go on the market and buy the rest.
> > > >
> > > > Russia, for example, uses about 22, and produces about 45. They
> > > can
> > > > sell.
> > > >
> > > > When we buy energy and use it, its gone.
> > > >
> > > > When they take our money, they still have it.
> > > >
> > > > All we are doing is transfering American wealth to many
> > countries
> > > > that wish us no good.
> > > >
> > > > But you know the rest of the story:
> > > >
> > > > "Environmentalists" will oppose it at all costs. They
> > > > will "personalize" and declare anyone who disagrees with them as
> > > > greedy people who hate the earth.
> > > >
> > > > They will flex their muscle with the Democrats, who won't dare
> > go
> > > > against them.
> > > >
> > > > It won't get built.
> > > >
> > > > We get weaker as our enemies get stronger.
> > > >
> > > > Next thing you know Sarah Palin has Russians in her front yard.
> > > >
> > > > I welcome our new Socialist overlords.
> > > >
> > > > I like Vodka.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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