Built 1914. The first zoning laws in the US were put in place in 1916 in NYC
and were a direct result of the building of 120 Broadway. Dont start with
stadiums. I have a lot of experience with those having been involved in killing
Jets Stadium in Manhattan. LAND GRAB. Do you really believe that stadiums are
compatible with residences? I can show you neighborhoods with houses and
factories. You think those are compatible? That was before comprehensive
zoning. And just because industrial areas get reclaimed (Billyburg) and some
like the mix (usually pioneers who eventually get priced out by hipsters),
doesnt mean you would actually plan a new area like that.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote:
>
> Ever been to Wrigleyville?
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@...>
> Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 15:15:37
> To: <AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reason for Cookman ave closure?
>
> Point taken. You know that the outdoor summer stage days are numbered when
> that can be developed with residences. That's a given no matter what the plan
> says short of it has to stay. You tell folks that they are moving next to an
> entertainment use, bar etc, and they say yeah okay and its another when they
> are there in their residence and start complaining about the noise. You see
> very few condos in the heart of times square.
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" <acme87rangers@> wrote:
> >
> > Any concert venue at the Casino would be in a newly built arena portion,
> > which is to look and feel like the old. That would mean the concert venue
> > is indoors and likely sound proofed.
> >
> > The only venue I can think of that in the future would be an outdoor
> > performance space would be the Arthur Pryor bandshell... and there seems to
> > be no future for that right now.
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote:
> > >
> > > That is something I can get on board with.......
> > >
> > > I personally don't feel as if moving the outdoor stage to the Casino site
> > > is going to make a difference with the sound. As this seems to be the
> > > main concern
> > >
> > > If no one believes me, grab yourself a 6pk and head to my backyard during
> > > any Summer Stage performance. I live on the corner of 5th and Comstock
> > > and hear almost every concert very clearly.
> > >
> > > Moving a stage and sound system 200 yrds to a more breeze filled area is
> > > not going to help.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@>
> > > Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:34:38
> > > To: <AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reason for Cookman ave closure?
> > >
> > > Well since the Pony and all that property is privately owned we (you, me,
> > > city) cant tell them what to do with it. But I think its our
> > > recommendation that the summer stage move eventually. I see no problem
> > > with interior performance spaces on Ocean with residences if you
> > > soundproof them. Personally I would not want to see the physical Pony
> > > moved. I am even ok with leaving the summer stage there but I cant see
> > > how you can build residences next to it. These are my personal opinions.
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So is leaving the Pony as is, for indoor entertainment (non summer
> > > > stage usage) and building a Summer stage on the casino site (strictly
> > > > outdoor usage) an option being discussed?
> > > >
> > > > Or is the Pony not going to be used as a music venue at all, and all
> > > > Pony entertainment being moved to Casino site?
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@>
> > > > Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:17:41
> > > > To: <AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reason for Cookman ave closure?
> > > >
> > > > I do not think its clear from the recommendations. And I think it was
> > > > the concerns I had which is the incompatibility of intense
> > > > entertainment and residential uses on the same site(s). The City
> > > > learned its lesson as well on that with Cookman. That's why proper
> > > > zoning specifies uses etc in certain areas.
> > > >
> > > > In the original plan, the southern end of Ocean Ave is supposed to be
> > > > the heart of intense entertainment uses. In reality, those uses are
> > > > allowed almost anywhere in the waterfront area under the current plan.
> > > > So if we agree that the southern end and especially the end of Cookman
> > > > and Asbury and Ocean is what I called "ground zero", then you have to
> > > > consider what's compatible and what's not. I voiced concern that if you
> > > > wanted to have intense entertainment uses (like the Pony's Summer
> > > > Stage) on Ocean Ave, how could you develop residences above these uses
> > > > on the same blocks? And if you agreed then that would preclude (in my
> > > > mind) residences on most, if not all of the blocks between Ocean and
> > > > Kingsley.
> > > >
> > > > That of course was not going to be given up by the developer. And so
> > > > keeping in mind that you can soundproof etc (expensive) I think we are
> > > > recommending that the Pony building stay and be incorporated in
> > > > developments (similar to what you suggest) but that the summer stage be
> > > > moved to the demolished Casino site. What the committee is recommending
> > > > is that entertainment uses become less intense along Ocean as you head
> > > > north and to make the most intense uses be at Ground Zero. Reasonable I
> > > > think.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" <acme87rangers@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there a reason or clarification as to why the Stone Pony was
> > > > > viewed as removable from the site? (pardon my ignorance if this has
> > > > > already been explained, but in the report I couldn't find reasoning
> > > > > behind this move)
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <dsher4@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rather than attack i will ask dan what the reason for the Cookman
> > > > > > > avenue closure is? at first blush i don't agree with it either
> > > > > > > but perhaps there is a logical reason. Dan can you please
> > > > > > > comment?
> > > > > > > Thank you
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you were at the meeting it was explained. The committee is
> > > > > > against it. We essentially killed it when proposed by the
> > > > > > developer. What we did at the end, just to be fair was say okay,
> > > > > > you (Partners) pay for an independent traffic consultant to study
> > > > > > the proposal and its effect on traffic. The developer's idea was to
> > > > > > create this great big public plaza. We think we already have one
> > > > > > further east. But you have to keep in mind how we approached this
> > > > > > entire process. To be open minded and fair. Personally I do not
> > > > > > think it has a chance but lets see what the traffic consultant
> > > > > > says. So in reality, and what maybe is not too clear from the
> > > > > > documents is that the committee really rejected the idea and is
> > > > > > only recommending that a traffic consultant and the city engineer
> > > > > > look into it.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
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