To me the idea of an outdoor concert stage is bad for businees anyway... at
least for the business of the venue itself. I've attended quite a few "Stone
Pony concerts" at Watermark, Langosta, and the boardwalk benches.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@...> wrote:
>
>
> I live at Asbury and Bond and hear nothing during the concerts. But who would
> not want a 1st class outdoor theater on the beachfront as part of the Casino
> rebuilding? Jones Beach Theatre is not too shabby.
>
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote:
> >
> > That is something I can get on board with.......
> >
> > I personally don't feel as if moving the outdoor stage to the Casino site
> > is going to make a difference with the sound. As this seems to be the main
> > concern
> >
> > If no one believes me, grab yourself a 6pk and head to my backyard during
> > any Summer Stage performance. I live on the corner of 5th and Comstock and
> > hear almost every concert very clearly.
> >
> > Moving a stage and sound system 200 yrds to a more breeze filled area is
> > not going to help.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@>
> > Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:34:38
> > To: <AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com>
> > Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reason for Cookman ave closure?
> >
> > Well since the Pony and all that property is privately owned we (you, me,
> > city) cant tell them what to do with it. But I think its our recommendation
> > that the summer stage move eventually. I see no problem with interior
> > performance spaces on Ocean with residences if you soundproof them.
> > Personally I would not want to see the physical Pony moved. I am even ok
> > with leaving the summer stage there but I cant see how you can build
> > residences next to it. These are my personal opinions.
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote:
> > >
> > > So is leaving the Pony as is, for indoor entertainment (non summer stage
> > > usage) and building a Summer stage on the casino site (strictly outdoor
> > > usage) an option being discussed?
> > >
> > > Or is the Pony not going to be used as a music venue at all, and all Pony
> > > entertainment being moved to Casino site?
> > >
> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@>
> > > Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:17:41
> > > To: <AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reason for Cookman ave closure?
> > >
> > > I do not think its clear from the recommendations. And I think it was the
> > > concerns I had which is the incompatibility of intense entertainment and
> > > residential uses on the same site(s). The City learned its lesson as well
> > > on that with Cookman. That's why proper zoning specifies uses etc in
> > > certain areas.
> > >
> > > In the original plan, the southern end of Ocean Ave is supposed to be the
> > > heart of intense entertainment uses. In reality, those uses are allowed
> > > almost anywhere in the waterfront area under the current plan. So if we
> > > agree that the southern end and especially the end of Cookman and Asbury
> > > and Ocean is what I called "ground zero", then you have to consider
> > > what's compatible and what's not. I voiced concern that if you wanted to
> > > have intense entertainment uses (like the Pony's Summer Stage) on Ocean
> > > Ave, how could you develop residences above these uses on the same
> > > blocks? And if you agreed then that would preclude (in my mind)
> > > residences on most, if not all of the blocks between Ocean and Kingsley.
> > >
> > > That of course was not going to be given up by the developer. And so
> > > keeping in mind that you can soundproof etc (expensive) I think we are
> > > recommending that the Pony building stay and be incorporated in
> > > developments (similar to what you suggest) but that the summer stage be
> > > moved to the demolished Casino site. What the committee is recommending
> > > is that entertainment uses become less intense along Ocean as you head
> > > north and to make the most intense uses be at Ground Zero. Reasonable I
> > > think.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" <acme87rangers@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is there a reason or clarification as to why the Stone Pony was viewed
> > > > as removable from the site? (pardon my ignorance if this has already
> > > > been explained, but in the report I couldn't find reasoning behind this
> > > > move)
> > > >
> > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <dsher4@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rather than attack i will ask dan what the reason for the Cookman
> > > > > > avenue closure is? at first blush i don't agree with it either but
> > > > > > perhaps there is a logical reason. Dan can you please comment?
> > > > > > Thank you
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If you were at the meeting it was explained. The committee is against
> > > > > it. We essentially killed it when proposed by the developer. What we
> > > > > did at the end, just to be fair was say okay, you (Partners) pay for
> > > > > an independent traffic consultant to study the proposal and its
> > > > > effect on traffic. The developer's idea was to create this great big
> > > > > public plaza. We think we already have one further east. But you have
> > > > > to keep in mind how we approached this entire process. To be open
> > > > > minded and fair. Personally I do not think it has a chance but lets
> > > > > see what the traffic consultant says. So in reality, and what maybe
> > > > > is not too clear from the documents is that the committee really
> > > > > rejected the idea and is only recommending that a traffic consultant
> > > > > and the city engineer look into it.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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