----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:52
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Assam is for
Assamese
Was this the 'attack' Rajen? You got me worried sick for nothing
:-).
I copied Sumanta in to make you squirm a little, because you dragged him
into these for no reason. But rest easy, it is highly unlikely he will
exercise his powers as the powerful editor of Dainik Asom to sully your
reputation. Actually time to time you to do a pretty darn good job of it all
by yourself :-).
I don't have a clue about what Sumanta's views are on these issues that
we debate, and go to war over. It was YOU who made the charges about
Sumanta's views and your disagreements over them, and thus lumped them
together with other views that you do not agree with, like mine, mm's, Tarun
Gogoi's, Mamoni Goswami's, Arabinda Rajkhowa's etc. etc. I was surprised by
your including Sumanta in this bunch of people whom you obviously find so
highly disagreeable.
>It is for the netters to judge if my assessment about the Mahantas
is correct when I say the following. But this is the impression I get from
your various postings in the net:
>That the Mahantas voice
for Communism in future Assam. They express hatred against India. >They
prophecy Doom and Gloom for India.
*** What can I say? You have an unique way of looking at things. But if
it helps
your cause, whatever it might be, AMEN Brother! You hold on to those
perceptions ,opinions and conclusions. Far be it for me than to deprive you of
your birth-rights.
And I am sure Netters will exercise their own reasoning skills to come to
their own conclusions. But if they share theirs with you to express solidarity
with your assessments, do let us know, OK? Don't hide that from us now.
But one thing you might want to know: It is not going to hurt my
feelings, or cause me any discomfiture. Because I say what I say quite
deliberately, usually with consideration for its ramifications.
>But before I try to show the short coming of your statement, I want
you to note and confirm again that the following is your own statement which
you believe, and not of Sumanta Chaliha or somebody else and
that you are simply trying to tabulate to spice up the arguments
for the sake of arguments.
"Assam IS for the Assamese -- those who
BELONG to Assam. It is their homeland. It includes many different ethnic
groups. Ahoms, Bodos, Dimasas, Misings, Karbis-- etc. etc.Assam is NOT the
homeland for Biharis, not for Marwaris, not for B'deshis. They can be guests
there. And become Assamese in time thru a process of assimilation. But they
cannot REMAIN itinerant Marwaris and Biharis and B'deshis but claim to be
Assamese at the same time. That is the difference" - Chandan Mahanta (Jan 26,
2005)
*** I am NOT in the habit of blaming somebody else for what I write
Rajen. The Devil does NOT make me do it. Did I create an impression otherwise?
Unlike YOU, I did not drag someone into these debates out of the blue. I asked
what Sumanta';s sins were to lump him with the rest of the despicable lot you
listed. You tried to back-pedal out of it, but I wouldn't let you ( the
'bihguti' I am :-)). You asserted that Sumanta held 'narrow nationalistic
views'. I asked you what they were. You told us. So I asked you WHY you think
of those as outrageous - why it is so bad that Sumanta should think Assam is
for the Assamese? Instead of explaining, like you usually AVOID doing,
you levelled all the charges above against the Mahantas of Assam Net.
End of story. You demonstrated, once again, your propensity for indulging
in 'bere-saale' kwbwa' exercises. But hey, I know it takes all kinds
:-).
>Because, this line of
thinking has serious problems and shortcoming for Assam. and I totally donot
agree with >the above view. If you really believe the above, I see
that there is a vast difference between the future Assam as envisioned by
the Mahantas and by me.
*** You sure could have fooled me :-). I would like to ask you to explain
WHY, but I know you won't. So I will let it go at that. But if you want
to surprise the heck out of me and others in the net, you may want to explain
WHY what I wrote seems so outrageous to your concept of Assam. That
might be enlightening.
Take care.
c
PS: I copied Sumanta in on this one last time, just so he knows how the
'bhawna' ended :-).
At 2:51 PM -0600 12/27/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
First I think you are copying these to Sumanta Chaliha just to add
some spice into our debate or just to expose Rajen Barua in front of a
powerful Editor of Doinik Asom who will teach Rajen Barua a
lesson.
Please go ahead.
However, I did not equate Sumanta with the Mahantas (in spite of
your blood relation). I donot think Sumanta has the same views as
yours. His views are different.
What I don't understand is why you are trying to act as Sumanta
Chaliha's attorney or spokesperson if you don't share the same view
with his? Again just to throw a monkey wrench into my arguments just for the
sake of it?
It
is for the netters to judge if my assessment about the Mahantas is correct
when I say the following. But this is the impression I get from your various
postings in the net:
That the Mahantas voice for Communism in future Assam. They
express hatred against India. They prophecy Doom and Gloom for
India.
(Now please don't try to drag Sumanta Chaliha into the scene
here. He does not do any of these. His views are quite different, I intend
to coolly discuss with him and continue our unfinished discussion that we
had in Assam when I visited last. So I would appreciate if you don't try to
misinterpret my comments and try to create confusion in our
understanding. )
But
before I try to show the short coming of your statement, I want you to note
and confirm again that the following is your own statement which you
believe, and not of Sumanta Chaliha or somebody else and that you
are simply trying to tabulate to spice up the arguments for the sake of
arguments.
"Assam IS for
the Assamese -- those who BELONG to Assam. It is their homeland. It includes
many different ethnic groups. Ahoms, Bodos, Dimasas, Misings, Karbis-- etc.
etc.Assam is NOT the homeland for Biharis, not for Marwaris, not for
B'deshis. They can be guests there. And become Assamese in time thru a
process of assimilation. But they cannot REMAIN itinerant Marwaris and
Biharis and B'deshis but claim to be Assamese at the same time. That is the
difference" - Chandan Mahanta (Jan 26, 2005)
Because, this line of thinking has serious problems and shortcoming
for Assam. and I totally donot agree with the above view.
If
you really believe the above, I see that there is a vast
difference between the future Assam as envisioned by the Mahantas and by
me.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Rajen
Barua ; assam@assamnet.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Who is Assam For?
It was Rajen Barua who brought Sumanta Chaliha into these
discussions and equted them with :
Communism, as
proposed by the Mahantas, is definitely not the
solution.
Hatred of India, as
proposed by the Mahnats, is not the solution.
Doom for India, as
proposed by the Mahantas, is not the solution.
I don't have to be Sumanta Chaliha's spokesperson to ask what
you had in mind. And you should be able to explain it, since you authored
it.
It does not take a genius to figure out why. But I wanted to
have YOU say so. Obviously my challenge causes you a lot of discomfiture.
But that is NOT MY doing. You brought it upon yourself.
>It does not
because what you tried to interperet your statement in the following, you
are actaullay getting nto a >dead end.
*** Yeah? That is because my comment was not designed to be
left as an open ended one.
>But before I show
you the fallacy of your statement,
*** I appreciate your magnanimity here. But go right ahead and
'attack' me. Isn't that what I am here for? The suspense is killing me
though :-).
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