Ram-da, I meant that while on studet or work visa you cannot work in your own company but you can hire a local guy (like my unemployed US citizen NRI kid ex-housemate) and pay some money to work for me (atleast on paper) . This was told to me by my landlord -who set up a IT consutlacy firm while on US work visa .
For the enterprising there is always a way --ethics is a debatable issue :-) thats why there are courts and lawyers to discuss such things. Business is competition --not philosophy!! As long as you are not killing or persecuting someone you are an ethical business-person. Umesh --- Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Umesh, > > > am indeed thinking of setting up a firm in US - > I'm > >told even on student visa one can set up a US firm > as > >long as you rope in someone else (US citizen ) *to > do > >the dirty work :-)* > > You don't mean the 'unethical' stuff do you? Man - I > tell you, this Harvard > ed. not only teaches you ethics, but makes sure you > get someone else to do > the dirty work! :)) > > --Ram da > > * > > * > > > On 9/26/06, umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Ram-da and C-da, > > > > I am indeed thinking of setting up a firm in US - > I'm > > told even on student visa one can set up a US firm > as > > long as you rope in someone else (US citizen ) to > do > > the dirty work :-) > > > > I think a reading of the extremely pirated book : > What > > they don't teach at Harvard Business School > --would be > > useful to anyone interested in building confidence > to > > start a business. I do have some business > experience > > since my teen years -helping my father set-up a > iron > > junk trading business. Slow and steady wins the > race. > > He had no degree in business or commerce -just > advice > > from established players in the field. > > > > I did an MBA from a small rural town in India - > the > > kind which Cambridge city was (near Boston) when > > Harvard Univ was set up -and the city was named > after > > Cambridge Univ from which many of its residents > had > > graduated. In today's world of Opensource > courseware > > (liek MIT's gift to the world) even univs in India > or > > Assam in particular - can teach what is taught at > > Harvard. > > > > In that sense those who have gone abroad /outside > > Assam and got business experience can certainly > use > > their contacts and skills. > > > > Regards. > > > > Umesh > > > > ****A start though maybe to introduce a course in > > > entrepreneurship > > > > (specifically >designed for the local market > > > there). > > > > > > > > > > > > *** It is ALL about risks and benefits Ram. IF > > > someone can make a decent > > > > living > > > > WITHOUT taking the risks implicit in > enterprise, > > > and one does not yearn > > > > for those EXTRA benefits or earnings that > COULD > > > come from business, then you > > > > won't see entrepreneurship. Almost all of us > > > kharkhowa expats here have an > > > > education that ensures a decent living without > the > > > risks involved. And most > > > > of us are quite happy with our lot, without > the > > > desire to acquire MORE, that > > > > could come from a profitable business. So why > take > > > on the hassles of > > > > business/enterprise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From what I gather, Harvard is one of the few > > > institutions that offer a > > > > course >in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in > their > > > Business School. > > > > > > > > > > > > *** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or > > > would he :-)? > > > > > > > > > > --- Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > C'da, > > > > > > >*** No, that is not what I wrote. The comment > was > > > about the expertise of > > > the >preachers. Surprised that you who have a > keen > > > eye for words and phrases > > > and their >hidden meanings, not to mention the > ones > > > staring at the reader > > > > > > You are right. Must have slipped thru somehow. > Just > > > making these preachers > > > the same as the actual bidnessmen. So, what you > are > > > saying is that there are > > > very few experts (at least the ones we come > across) > > > who are cabable of > > > giving sound advice on business startup, and > lest we > > > forget, on capital > > > acquisition. > > > > > > >*** Are you implying "maahor maar dekhi tile' > bet > > > melile'" here >Ram :-)? > > > > > > Well, one never knows how far you could dig into > > > those dreaded archives, and > > > fish out something. Just not taking chances here > :) > > > :) > > > > > > >>Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of > our > > > ulfa leaders too, did you? > > > > > > >*** No I did not. Mainly because I don't know > any. > > > Do you know some? If you > > > do, >perhaps* you* can pose the question to > them. > > > > > > Of course, I don't know any either. But I > thought, > > > since you were the one > > > asking these tricky(pesky) questions, and since > you > > > are so 'fair and > > > balanced' you perhaps would have made sure to > ask > > > both parties :Sulfa and > > > ulfa. Both have managed to raise huge amounts of > > > capital (and without the > > > proverbial collateral). > > > > > > >*** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or > > > would he :-)? > > > > > > Poor Umesh! He just took the Education degree, > not > > > the bidness, and who > > > knows whether he took the ethics course (from > which, > > > of course, most Indians > > > are exempt) :) :) > > > > > > --Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/26/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Ram: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You are not suggesting that a vast majority > of > > > Kharkhowas are clueless > > > > about starting a business, are you?, ie no > > > entrepreneurial spirit - whether > > > > they are in Assam or here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** No, that is not what I wrote. The comment > was > > > about the expertise of > > > > the preachers. Surprised that you who have a > keen > > > eye for words and phrases > > > > and their hidden meanings, not to mention the > ones > > > staring at the reader, > > > > did not get it :-). > > > > > > > > > > > > However we DID examine the reasons for so few > of > > > us kharkhowa expats . > > > > being in business enterprises, even though > here in > > > the USA for example, it > > > > is far,far of easier to get into, than it is > in > > > India, or Assam. But it is > > > > NOT because of a defective gene as some like > to > > > suggest :-). Our > > > > risk-averseness has many reasons, all are > > > sociologically and educationally > > > > conditioned responses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of > our > > > ulfa leaders too, did you? > > > > > > > > > > > > *** No I did not. Mainly because I don't know > any. > > > Do you know some? If > > > > you do, perhaps* you* can pose the question to > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > However it is a fact, that ULFA leaders > are/were > > > far more entrepreneurial > > > > and courageous risk-takers with leadership > > > abilities than the average > > > > population. That is why you also saw so many > SULFA > > > cadres get into it too. > > > > They also had a huge advantage as SULFAs: Free > > > capital, bankrolled by the " > > > > government of the people", without any > requirement > > > for paying back; a > > > > private system of justice by which they could > > > ensure market share, > > > > collection of payments and debts and ensure > bid > > > winning. I know some nasty > > > > people decried that, but aren't those the > right > > > requisites for business > > > > enterprises ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hehehe! that does it for me. I will try not > to > > > suggest any ideas for > > > > >entrepreneurship (at this time at least) > > > > > > > > > > > > *** Are you implying "maahor maar dekhi tile' > bet > > > melile'" here Ram :-)? > > > > > > > > > > > > >A start though maybe to introduce a course in > > > entrepreneurship > > > > (specifically >designed for the local market > > > there). > > > > > > > > > > > > *** It is ALL about risks and benefits Ram. IF > > > someone can make a decent > > > > living > > > > WITHOUT taking the risks implicit in > enterprise, > > > and one does not yearn > > > > for those EXTRA benefits or earnings that > COULD > > > come from business, then you > > > > won't see entrepreneurship. Almost all of us > > > kharkhowa expats here have an > > > > education that ensures a decent living without > the > > > risks involved. And most > > > > of us are quite happy with our lot, without > the > > > desire to acquire MORE, that > > > > could come from a profitable business. So why > take > > > on the hassles of > > > > business/enterprise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From what I gather, Harvard is one of the few > > > institutions that offer a > > > > course >in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in > their > > > Business School. > > > > > > > > > > > > *** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or > > > would he :-)? > > > > > > > > > > > > c-da > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 9:35 AM -0500 9/26/06, Ram Sarangapani > wrote: > > > > > > > > C'da, > > > > > > > > > Actually several years back I CHALLENGED > another > > > bunch of >such advisers > > > > in Assam Net to describe HOW they would start. > > > >There was NOT a single > > > > reply . > > > > > > > > You are not suggesting that a vast majority of > > > Kharkhowas are clueless > > > > about starting a business, are you?, ie no > > > entrepreneurial spirit - whether > > > > they are in Assam or here? > > > > > > > > > > > > >Then I challenged a prakton-Ulfa, or SULFA, > > > leader > > > > > then doing doing business in Assam and who > too > > > were advising >others in > > > > Assam Net to take up business ( obviously as > an > > > >antidote to insurgency), to > > > > tell us how one might begin, how to get > >capital > > > if one did not have > > > > collateral > > > > > > > > Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our > > > ulfa leaders too, did you? > > > > They might be willing to divulge how to get > > > capital without a collateral. I > > > > hear they are pretty adept at it. :) > > > > > > > > > I have those exchanges in my archives. If > > > someone would like to >read > > > > them, let me know. > > > > > > > > Hehehe! that does it for me. I will try not to > > > suggest any ideas for > > > > entrepreneurship (at this time at least). > > > > > > > > A start though maybe to introduce a course in > > > entrepreneurship > > > > (specifically designed for the local market > > > there). From what I gather, > > > > Harvard is one of the few institutions that > offer > > > a course in > > > > entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their > Business > > > School. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/26/06, Chan Mahanta > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > I have gotten used to the well-meaning > advice > > > and exhortations of our > > > > > fellow kharkhowas about how to pull Assam > out of > > > its miseries by > > > > > starting industries,by being entrepreneurs > and > > > so forth. I smile to > > > > > myself, wondering why these advisers work > for > > > wages, mostly clerical > > > > > work, far from home , in environments where > it > > > is far easier to > > > > > become entrepreneurs . > > > > > > > > > > Something is patently contradictory here > isn't > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > I have pondered over it often. My guess, so > far, > > > is that, well > > > > > meaning as they are, they have NO clue :-). > > > > > > > > > > Actually several years back I CHALLENGED > another > > > bunch of such > > > > > advisers in Assam Net to describe HOW they > would > > > start. There was NOT > > > > > a single reply. Then I challenged a > > > prakton-Ulfa, or SULFA, leader > > > > > then doing doing business in Assam and who > too > > > were advising others > > > > > in Assam Net to take up business ( obviously > as > > > an antidote to > > > > > insurgency), to tell us how one might begin, > how > > > to get capital if > > > > > one did not have collateral, how to build a > > > market, how to > > > > > distribute, how to get an operating line of > > > credit, so on and so > > > > > forth. And last but not the least, how to > make > > > sure of getting paid > > > > > for delivering goods or services, and if > there > > > is a contract default, > > > > > how to go about resolving such a dispute, > who to > > > rely on? > > > > > > > > > > The silence was deafening. > > > > > > > > > > I have those exchanges in my archives. If > > > someone would like to read > > > > > them, let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > assam mailing list > > > > > assam@assamnet.org > > > > > > > > > > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > assam mailing list > > > assam@assamnet.org > > > > > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > > > > > > > Umesh Sharma > > 5121 Lackawanna ST > > College Park, MD 20740 USA > > > > Current temp. address: 5649 Yalta Place , > Vancouver, Canada > > > > 1-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone] > > Canada # (607) 221-9433 > > > > Ed.M. - International Education Policy > > Harvard Graduate School of Education, > > Harvard University, > > Class of 2005 > > > > weblog: http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! 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