Dear Sir,
Before making allegations all the time against desi-demokrasy, centre, et. al,
please take time to consider how certain things work at ground level.
Centre gives money for projects against certain high level gurantees. Then its
upto the state to execute the same. Consider this - a road needs to be built
and a tender needs to be taken out. The STATE minister in charge already has
some interested parties in mind and has already made up his mind to give out
the contracts to his preffered candidates only. Once the candidates get the
contracts, they will organize locals to supply the raw materials like stones,
sand, bitumin etc. Again there will be some deals to profit everyone. If a
whistleblower screams, he knows the consequences. At the end of it, you will
have a road that will be built but will be reduced to moonscape by the next
monsoon. You cannot change this because many of our local bureaucrats and
politicians are involved NECK DEEP in it and thats the only way they will allow
things to work.
Occasionally contracts are given out to reputed players like L&T, Gammon India
etc. but they are forced to succumb to dictats from local pressure groups and
are not allowed the freedom to do the work the way they want.
If the CAG is vicious, do we have any parellel body at state level who can
gurantee the same kind of checks?
Are you aware of how the MIDC (Maharastra Industria Dev Corp), a state
government body had raised 1200 crores from the Market to fund the new
expressway between Mumbai and Pune. Its one of their showcase projects. No
marks for guessing if the Assam government has commitment to envisage such
projects and see them through conclusion.
A state needs workable controls in place to ensure things work. If even its
ministers elected by the STATE are out to make money, then its no point even
mentioning the CENTRE.
Rgds,
Sandip
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From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assam@assamnet.org
Cc: "Saikia, Hrishikesh IN BLR SISL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Rajen & Ajanta Barua
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assamonline@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 1:24:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours
>Contractors and consultants come to make money - i.e profit.
*** No one would hold a consultant or a contractor guilty of anything IF they
are RENDERING the services or SUPPLYING the goods they are paid to. And if the
services are rendered and goods supplied for compensation dispensed, then it
would be VISIBLE. Or so one might expect. Thus there will be no cause for
complaint.
The cause for complaints arise when the services or the goods are nowhere to be
found, or are sub-standard, while the monies are gone.
I did NOT make the charge that "--a few Axomiya officers and politicians have
become rich at the expense of these villagers."
No doubt they have. But to charge ONLY "-- a few AXomiya --" of the crimes,
while letting the really big fish off the hook belies an agenda designed to
make the political point that the Center's dereliction of its duties is NOT an
issue, while Oxomiya misdeeds are the REAL reasons for Oxomiya disaffections.
That is what I pointed out.
>This is the way our Ulfa categorizes ALL Non-assamese into an "Indian"
>category >vs. the locals. Is that why you mentioned "Indian" consultants.
*** I don't know how ULFA categorizes them, but yes, I did mention "Indian"
contractors -- because they are indeed some of the biggest and most important
beneficiaries of desi-demokrasy's unaccountable
steal-from-the-many-to-enrich-a-few policy that Assam and its contiguous
regions have reeled under since independence. It is quite irrelevant whether it
has been intentional or merely an unintended outcome. But it has been the NET
result and that is what counts.
I will however remain corrected, on this issue, as well as the others that I
responded to earlier, if someone can present a more credible explanation.
cm
At 4:32 AM -0800 11/24/06, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
Contractors and consultants come to make money - i.e profit. They are not here
to do charity. There is a difference between rendering a service to make profit
vs. stealing money thats not yours. Even if beparis stole money in the name of
profit, there would have been some of our local people within the system who
got a cut and aided them in the process.
Most of us are abroad for the same reason of making money I guess. In that
case, can I accuse you of stealing an American's job and giving it to yourself
(i.e. exploitation). What justification would you have in case tomorrow there
were to be a backlash against all Indians in America? Would you plead and cry
to say you that you came in legally and did part of your education there and
became a naturalized citizen, contributed to the economy, paid taxes, your
children were born there and so on and so forth? Why should anyone listen to
you?
This is the way our Ulfa categorizes ALL Non-assamese into an "Indian" category
vs. the locals. Is that why you mentioned "Indian" consultants.
Rgds,
SD
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Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 1:23:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours
>- but we need to know where all the central money is disappearing and how a
>few >Axomiya officers and politicians have become rich at the expense of these
>>villagers.
*** Two questions here: HOW would we KNOW? WHAT tools do we have with which to
unearth that information?
And how do we know that a few Oxomiya 'officers' alone are stealing us blind?
How do we know that it is not going RIGHT OUT of Assam thru Indian contarctors,
consultants, and a variety of traders and 'beparis'-- just to name a few --
that have had Assam govts. past and present under their controls, albeit from
the shadows?
>Poor villagers dont have the means to question or verify.
*** How about the urban middle class that are the real movers and shakers? Do
THEY have the means? If they do, do they care or not? And if NOT, why?
>DESI-DEMOKRASY not working perhaps...
*** Perhaps? Are there doubts? Something else perhaps? I press the issue,
because if society's backbone is not up to acknowledge where the problems lie,
how will they ever find solutions?
>.but then its not AUTOKRASY where centre will hold local officials by the neck
>>and demand where the money went.
*** That implies that UNLESS it is an AUTOCRACY, the people who CONTROL the
purse strings, could not or would not have the means to dispense their duties,
of being responsible for making sure that the resources they COLLECT from the
PEOPLE and re-distribute -- is done properly so that the PEOPLE can benefit
from it?
It is a VERY LARGE RESPONSIBILITY! But is the Center exercising , delivering on
THAT responsibility? Is it RESPONSIBLE to turn and say from this point on it is
YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, while doing NOTHING to give the people the TOOLS they need
to make sure they get the benefit of what comes to them?
That would lead one to ask further--if AUTOCRACY is the ONLY way to to dispense
their duties, why are they and their supporters keep singing the virtues of the
dysfunctional desi-demokrasy? Why do they attempt to portray what is
dysfunctional as something BETTER, something more honorable, than what is
purportedly effective ?
After all, democracy, autocracy etc. are TOOLS, MEANS to certain ends and NOT
ends unto themselves, are they?
>I am sure that all of us would know a few such people who have had positions
>of >importance in the government and have exploited them to the hilt to fatten
>>their own kitties.
*** I would even venture to suggest that a very large segment of those who have
risen to be able to air their complaints, but are clueless about what to do
about it, are also the beneficiaries of the same dysfunctional system of
stealing from the many to enrich a few.
It is about time to UNDERSTAND the source of the problems and work to CHANGE
what is dysfunctional.
cm
At 2:53 AM -0800 11/23/06, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
5 decades of exploitation yeah - but we need to know where all the central
money is disappearing and how a few Axomiya officers and politicians have
become rich at the expense of these villagers.
Its very easy. Siphon off all the money and then tell the villagers that the
Centre is neglecting. Poor villagers dont have the means to question or verify.
Neither does the centre have a band of rabble-rousers who will answer all the
allegations because they themselves are unsure of where the money is actually
going.
DESI-DEMOKRASY not working perhaps....but then its not AUTOKRASY where centre
will hold local officials by the neck and demand where the money went.
I am sure that all of us would know a few such people who have had positions of
importance in the government and have exploited them to the hilt to fatten
their own kitties.
Rgds,
Sandip
----- Original Message ----
From: "Saikia, Hrishikesh IN BLR SISL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assamonline@yahoogroups.com;
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 12:02:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours
1) Villagers support ULFA because of 5 decades of exploitation , and
that cannot be the sufficient justification to prove that jungle rule prevails
in ASSAM. What about the systematic torture of our people, forgot AFSPA.
2) Does a non-vegetarian represent jungli. If that is the case then we
all are jungli and jungle rule prevails in the name of huminity.
Milk, anything prepared with onion, oil or any masala is non-veg food,
forget abt meat .We don't need any gujrati or marwari to define veg and
non-veg.
Let me tell you where jungle rule prevails:
1) Female Foeticide among the people who are/were from the cow belt region
is highest. Even if the individual was from jalandhar and stays at bangalore
it does not matter. They have that animal instinct .
2) Dowry is disgrace to our society thus to india and I don't know how
india represent UN with 100crore-7 crore(NE)= 93 crore annulled population .
3) caste is such a sticky factor among the indians - NE .
JAI AAI AXOM
-----Original Message-----
From: Rajen & Ajanta Barua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:50 AM
To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com; assam@assamnet.org
Subject: Re: [Assam] [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours
1) Jungle rule - I would say yes, and will not be difficult to prove..
2) Many villagers support ULFA - was correct till few years ago
3) We all NEs eat fish and chicken. Some NEs eat dog, snake, etc also.
So where do we see the problem in such accusation.
Why should one feel bad. Incidently the Chinese have a reputation that they eat
everything that moves.
Media cannot do anything by trying to publicise wrong statements that we donot
have Jungle rule, that we donot support ULFA, that some of us donot eat dog and
snakes.
We need to change our views how not to feel ashamed at such accusation but how
we can defend ourselves. I am talking about # 3).
We defenitley need to do somthing how to stop our Jungle rule and start a
democratic civilized rule.
Rajen Barua
----- Original Message -----
From: Debojyoti Bordoloi
To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours
Apart from things like literacy rate n all, what is really a matter of grave
concern is the picture of Assam in particular and North-East as a whole,painted
by the masses of so-called developed cities and metros of India. According to
them,Assam is a land where JUNGLE rule still prevails,each and every household
in the interior corners of the state is having atleast one underground family
member who is fighting against the state and people from these places eat
everything on the planet.This is really very disgusting at this age when media
in any form virtually rules every thing in the society and we are performing in
this regard very poorly.So, i feel that we should take some stern action in
this direction and our media should promote our State in a better way at the
outset so that we also become a name to reckon with on the national scene with
all our good qualities,resources and our heritage et.all.
debajyoti
samudra gupta kashyap <[EMAIL PROTECTED] il.com> wrote:
mrinal talukdar is right!
It is not correct to presume that everything is wrong here on the banks of the
brahmaputra. mrinal has already pointed at some of the numerous positive things
that are happening here. what is lacking is a bold civil society which wakes up
to push aside a handful of self-appointed saviours of assam who have negatively
influenced the assamese mindset and woven myths that only drag all of us
backwards instead of contributing towards emancipation of this wonderful ethnic
mix called assamese.
people in assam are today willing to say a big No to the bandh culture. people
want to climb the ladder of human development in all aspects (it is also true
that assam ranks 15th among the indian states in terms of male literacy and
13th in terms of female literacy? do you know life expectancy at birth of
assamese males is just 58 years 350 days against all-india average of 63 years
317 days and biar's 65 years 240 days? and that the average assam woman lives
only 60 years 317 days against all-india average of 66 years 332 days, and
bihar's 64 years 288 days? it is also true that people like moni manik gogoi,
who gave up ulfa (but did not become a sulfa) on finding that it was a stupid
thing to take up arms, and has in the past six or seven years transformed the
economy of dozens of villages near naharkatiya. )
what assam needs is a program that can change the mindset of the people. also
required is a new generation of leaders wo are literate, forward-looking,
committed, ready to sacrifice and also face criticism, and believes that the
assamese too is a global citizen and not a nador bhekuli.
please come and do something, if you feel like, on these areas -- areas of
human development and also on areas of leadership development.
Samudra Gupta Kashyap/Guwahati
On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 Mrinal Talukdar wrote :
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/assamonlin e/message/ 2791
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