Barua, >India has always been ruled by the 5% elite
This is true of almost every country - including the US and is also true of states within countries. In fact, I would want to know of any country that is NOT governed by the 5-10% elite. It will be interesting. >The rest 95% were always the ignorant people being >ruled, in ancient time, during the British Raj and now. >I donot see any difference. What about those countless engineers, doctors, scientists (other than politicians and IAS babus) can we consider them all ignorant? Just because large sections avoid the IAS and politics like the plague, doesn't automatically make them ignorant. --Ram On 9/26/07, Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Umesh: > India has always been ruled by the 5% elite. In the old days it was the > Aryan high cast Brahmins and Khsatriyas. To get into that circle one had to > study a lot, learn how to speak and write Sanskrit. > Today it is the 5% IAS officers and 1% MLAs and MPs whom you elect to > govern. You have to learn to speak and write English to get into that > circle. > The rest 95% were always the ignorant people being ruled, in ancient time, > during the British Raj and now. > I donot see any difference. > Rajenda > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the > world<assam@assamnet.org>; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:41 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Sikh Holocaust > > > Rajen-da, > > The dictatorship is too much of a term - it depends where you are in India > - those in metros definitely are having full democracy and as you go into > interiors where law and literacy are remote it becomes dictatorhip by the > elected. > > See the video of Indira's India of 1984 - Sikh Holocaust > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MasMHq7oUs&NR=1 > > > Umesh > > *Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > Umesh: > India is best described as 'an elected dictatorship'. > Rajenda > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the > world<assam@assamnet.org> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:52 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy > > > Rajen-da > > Good example of India-Shining rhetoric. > But just becos there is peace (despite armed militancy in 25% of India's > districts- NE, Kashmir, Bihar, Central India, LTTE South India etc etc) and > not many are dying of starvation and voting not by reading election > manifestos but by recognizing cartoons (election symbols) of political > parties . > > Even democratically elected communist govt (an anamoly) of West Bengal is > allegedly in power for past 25 years non-stop since a nexus prevents > anyone from voting against the "party" or else face ex-communication a-la > erstwhile Pope's rule in Europe in medieval times -as per a Bengali > researcher . > > But ofcourse noone can deny that despite is shortcomings the India that is > Bharat is growing - despite spoofs like Hollywood's "Borat" movie (Bharat > ??) from Kazakhstan (Rajasthan???) > > Umesh > > > *Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > *Following may be added from another review about the book:* > > India is the country that was never expected to ever be a country. In the > late 19th century, Sir John Strachey, a senior British official, grandly > opined that the territory's diverse states simply could not possess any sort > of unity, physical, political, social or religious. Strachey, clearly, was > wrong: India today is a unified entity and a rising global power. Even so, > it continues to defy explanation. India's existence, says Guha, an > internationally known scholar (*Environmentalism: A Global History*), has > also been an anomaly for academic political science, according to whose > axioms cultural heterogeneity and poverty do not make a nation, still less a > democratic one. Yet India continues to exist. Guha's aim in this startlingly > ambitious political, cultural and social survey is to explain why and how. > He cheerfully concludes that India's continuing existence results from its > unique diversity and its refusal to be pigeonholed into such conventional > political models as Anglo-American liberalism, French republicanism, > atheistic communism or Islamist theocracy. India is proudly sui generis, and > with August 15, 2007, being the 60th anniversary of Indian independence, > Guha's magisterial history of India since that day comes not a moment too > soon. 32 pages of b&w illus., 8 maps. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* assam@assamnet.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:42 PM > *Subject:* [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi > > > Good review of a grand 900 page book on India recently published: > ** > *India After Gandhi: The History of the World's Largest Democracy *by > Ramachandra > Guha<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/104-6124470-9168767?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Ramachandra%20Guha> > > > *From The Washington Post's Book World/washingtonpost.com* > Reviewed by George Perkovich > A toast to India on its 60th birthday: No country has more heroically > pursued the promise of democracy. Against the odds of staggering poverty, > conflicting religious passions, linguistic pluralism, regional separatism, > caste injustice and natural resource scarcity, Indians have lifted > themselves largely by their own sandal straps to become a stalwart democracy > and emerging global power. India has risen with epic drama -- a nonviolent > struggle for independence followed by mass mayhem and bloodletting, dynastic > succession and assassination, military victory and defeat, starvation > succeeded by green revolution, political leaders as saints, sinners and > sexual ascetics. And yet, the Indian story rarely has been told and is > practically unknown to Americans. > India After Gandhi masterfully fills the void. India needs a wise and > judicious narrator to convey its scale, diversity and chaos -- to describe > the whirlwind without getting lost in it. It needs a biographer neither > besotted by love nor enraged by disappointment. Ramachandra Guha, a > historian who has taught at Stanford and Yale and now lives in Bangalore, > has given democratic India the rich, well-paced history it deserves. > Much will be new to American readers. *Large-scale conflicts in India's > northeast between tribal groups and the center have been as enduring, and in > some ways as important, as the more familiar violence in Kashmir.* The > framing of India's constitution from 1946 through 1949 should induce awe, > especially in light of Iraq's post-Saddam experience. > In the midst of Hindu-Muslim bloodshed, a flood of 8 million refugees, > starvation, and other profound conflicts, Indian representatives worked out > constitutional provisions to protect minorities, keep religion out of state > power, correct thousands of years of caste discrimination and redistribute > power and wealth accumulated by still-regnant princely states. This was done > with no external guidance or pressure. The drafting committee was chaired by > an "untouchable," B.R. Ambedkar -- analogies are inexact, but imagine if > James Madison at the Philadelphia Constitutional Convention had been a freed > slave. > Specialists will quicken over insights from the private papers of Indira > Gandhi's confidant, P.N. Haksar, who gave his papers to Guha. These > documents reveal, among other things, that it was the Soviet Union that > proposed the 1971 treaty of cooperation and friendship between the two > countries, and that suspicion of China motivated both nations more than was > appreciated at the time. > Miniature biographies of grassroots leaders and movements also enliven > Guha's storytelling. Jay Aprakash Narayan -- "JP" -- plays a leading role. A > onetime friend of Nehru who became the bête noir of his daughter, Indira > Gandhi, JP led a massive movement for radical governmental reform in > 1974-75, which moved Indira Gandhi to declare a national emergency and > suspend democracy. > Some themes go under-explored: For example, why has the Indian Army > abstained from interfering in politics, unlike the military in many other > developing countries? And why has India given short shrift to primary > education, even as it has developed technological institutes that rival > M.I.T? > Many chapters begin or end with India's future in doubt. "India is almost > infinitely depressing," Aldous Huxley wrote in 1961, "for there seems to be > no solution to its problems in any way that any of us [in the West] regard > as acceptable." He predicted that "when Nehru goes, the government will > become a military dictatorship." Guha records that "ever since the country > was formed there have also been many Indians who have seen the survival of > India as being on the line, some (the patriots) speaking or writing in fear, > others (the secessionists or revolutionaries) with anticipation." > Yet, marvelously, India's survival as a democracy seems more assured than > ever. Less clear is the nature of its relationship with America. Since 2005, > the U.S. and Indian governments have moved toward nuclear cooperation, > reversing 30 years of U.S. policy against nuclear assistance to countries > that refuse to sign the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. > Washington clearly views India as a counterbalance to China's strategic > power. But Guha records an important historical parallel. > In 1962, China crossed disputed boundaries in the northwest and northeast > of India. A shocked Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru abandoned nonalignment > and pleaded for emergency U.S. military assistance. Ambassador John > Kenneth Galbraith wrote to President Kennedy: "The only Asian country which > really stands in [China's] way is India and pari passu the only Western > country that is assuming responsibility is the United States. . . . We > should expect to make use of India's political position, geographical > position, political power and manpower or anyhow ask." > Four decades later, another Harvard professor-cum-American ambassador to > India, Robert Blackwill, championed the proposed nuclear deal with similar > reasoning. As different as the presidents they served, Blackwill and > Galbraith were tempted by strategic abstraction and a desire to raise > "their" country -- India -- in American priorities. Yet supplying arms to > India in 1962 did not make India any more deferential to U.S. foreign > policy. Washington will delude itself again if it thinks that nuclear India > will be a pliant instrument in its geostrategy. As long as India is a > democracy, it will go its own way. > To comprehend India's achievement, imagine if Mexico became the 51st of > the United States, followed by Brazil, Argentina and the rest of Central and > South America. Add Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain to give this union the > Sunni-Shia mix of India. The population then represented in Congress would > still be smaller and less diverse linguistically, religiously, culturally > and economically than India's. If such a state could democratically manage > the interests and conflicts swirling within it, and not threaten its > neighbors, the world should ask little else from it. If we were such a > state, we would feel that our humane progress contributes so much to global > well-being that smaller, richer, easier-to-manage states should not presume > to tell us what to do. > Sixty years after Gandhi, India has earned greater appreciation than we > give it. > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > assam@assamnet.org > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > assam@assamnet.org > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > > > Umesh Sharma > > Washington D.C. > > 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] > > Ed.M. - International Education Policy > Harvard Graduate School of Education, > Harvard University, > Class of 2005 > > http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) > > http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) > > > > > www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) > > > > > http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ > ------------------------------ > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! 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