>**** And YET, the Central Govt. has its own system, because ---? It >has implicit in the state schools' quality ? Because it merely >provides it as an example of its benevolence, setting a higher >standard? Or that it does not trust the state systems and therefore >devised its own, funding it adequately and managing it with able >people---for the benefit of ALL?
C'da, You are reading way too much into what the Central Govt.is doing or not doing. First, there are 3 lists (if I remember the Indian Constitutions). They are the Central List, the State List, and the Concurrent List. Education happens to be on all three lists. One of the main reasons the state list has education is for individual states to be able to develop their own standards, and also in development of their literature and culture. Would you want it otherwise? Education in the central list is for the over all maintenance of educational standards of all states. The University Grants Commission is one such org. It sets standards and helps state institutions with grants and recognition. Institutions under the Center like the Central Schools were set up so that children of Central employees and military personnel are able to continue with the same instruction when parents are frequently transferred. Obviously, funding streams for state and Central institutions are different. Some states are able to manage their institutions, while others like Assam, want an old and well-respected institution like Gauhati University be taken over by the Center. Now, why is that. The State is trying to get the Center to take care of the finances of GU, so the state financial responsibility can be shifted. Now, you would blame the damn Center either way. If they did not take over an institution like GU, you might say - 'look, the Center is trying to take over an age old Assam Institution, blah, blah.. If the Center did not, you would claim benevolence, setting higher standards etc,etc. > Because it merely >provides it as an example of its benevolence, >setting a higher >standard? This is preposterous, someone complaining because the Center is trying to set a higher standard? Would you like it to emulate lower ones? And then you would moan and groan about the low standards of Indian institutions, their products, and how incompetent Indian education system is. As far as standards are concerned, states have the full control of their own institutions and have the ability to set higher standards (or lower, base-line ones). Who is stopping them? The Center? Then you would have explain how on earth they do it? A similar kind of system also exists in this country, which you already know about. If you want to compare US system with that of India, then it must be approached with the amount of $$ spent here per school/per student vs in India and what outcomes have resulted. I don't have the data at the tip of my fingers, but I am confident, that the amount of $$ spent per student is far, far greater than in India, and the rates of return are nothing to write home about (talking about schools not universities). --Ram On 10/2/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >** You wanted examples which I have provided (SEVEN > >against ONE which you cited). If you are willing and > >from India BOTH from public and private institution > >(as cited by Umesh). > > > > > **** And it will prove WHAT? That Indian students do get the > nurturing to be creative, inventive and break new ground as can be > proven by-----? > > > > >Education is a matter of STATE Govt. While the Govt funded > >institutes in some states are doing pretty >goodit is NOT so for > >other states. > > > **** And YET, the Central Govt. has its own system, because ---? It > has implicit in the state schools' quality ? Because it merely > provides it as an example of its benevolence, setting a higher > standard? Or that it does not trust the state systems and therefore > devised its own, funding it adequately and managing it with able > people---for the benefit of ALL? > > > Do we have a clue to what we are quarreling about here? > > > > >In US NOT all public schools are equal ... as I > >>understand, some school districts are considered > > >superior to others. So let us know why SOME schools > >>do better then other schools. And then there are > >Charter Schools which get more funds. > > > **** Yes there is a big discrepancy --- between poor districts and > the rich ones. One of the most visible > inequities of LOCAL CONTROL of American schooling. Charter schools > were created to MITIGATE the effects of such inequities. And they > ARE part of the same school districts -- not Federally funded and > controlled schools for the scions of colonial rulers, with a few > crumbs set aside for the natives. There is a difference. > > > >While KV gives priority to transferrable employees, > > > *** Why? Does the Center NOT trust the QUALITY of state run schools? > And WHAT percentage of the total seats are open to the natives? 90%, > 60%, 25%, 10%, 1%? > > > > >Perfect. I have no issues if you pay tens of thousand dollars to > >send your child to Private School. But > >then Indian Education is OUR business ... NOT your. > > > **** Are these two issues COMPARABLE ? Would anyone with even a > rudimentary ability to reason equate the two? > > > >If you had "EQUALLY HIGH QUALITY" in Public school, you WOULD NOT > >have sent your kid to >Private School. And since you sent your > >children to Private School it shows that you DO NOT TRUST >on > >quality of Public Schools in US > > > **** That is a half-a**ed conclusion at best. But let us assume that > that is what is ALL about, that there could not possibly be other > factors, or reasons ( not everyone is endowed with ordinary amount > of reasoning ability after all). If so WHY would I point to public > schools as having been the single largest producers of great and > creative minds in America ? Wouldn't one want to know that? Unless of > course one is so disoriented by one's need to assert a point, reason > be damned. > > > >BTW, the fees in KV used to be Rs5 (waived for economically poorer > >section) when I was a student. >Ifthings have not changed it is > >still in same range. > > > *** How very generous! Just so we can see things in perspective, > what was the fee for Central Employees? And pray WHO makes up the > DIFFERENCE between the fee generated and the expenses incurred. > Pardon me for asking such a silly question though. In my ignorance I > might be overlooking the fact of the staff not taking any salaries, > providing public service out of their own good will, while the > premises and the utilities are gifts of the gods. > > > > >As you said earlier ..... you are quarreling for the sake of > >quarreling making yourself look bad > > > **** Now that is an original and creative construct, nothing less > than what could be expected from a Kendriya Vidyalay alumnus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 6:29 AM -0700 10/2/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty wrote: > > >>seven kids out of a country of a billion people, > >knowing what I do, > > > >** You wanted examples which I have provided (SEVEN > >against ONE which you cited). If you are willing and > >have time, you can search web to find more such kids > >from India BOTH from public and private institution > >(as cited by Umesh). > > > > > > > >>>While I am unwilling to > >>>pass verdict on the condition of Indian education > > > >You SHOULD NOT since you have no clue of today's India > >nor are you willing to learn > > > > > >>>Why is it that Kendriya Vidyalays get special > >funding , special > >>>teachers, while the rest of the country has to make > >do with what they > >>>have to? > > > >Education is a matter of STATE Govt. While the Govt > >funded institutes in some states are doing pretty good > >it is NOT so for other states. It is analogous to > >blaming me because you wasted your money on gambling > >(or whatever may be) while you too had every > >opportunity to utilize your money fruitfully. > > > >In US NOT all public schools are equal ... as I > >understand, some school districts are considered > >superior to others. So let us know why SOME schools > >do better then other schools. And then there are > >Charter Schools which get more funds. > > > > > >>>> What is it about Central employees that deserve > >such special > >>>care, while the rest don't? Colonialism is what > >comes to mind. > > > >Another good example of your KNOWLEDGE of India. While > >KV gives priority to transferrable employees, it is > >open to others as well. My parents were NOT Central > >(or even State) Govt employee but I studied in KV > >anyway ... you always "Know Better". > >BTW, many educationists want GOA to adopt KV > >education pattern but again GOI cannot force it. > > > > > >>>Where our children went to school is our business. > >>It has nothing to > >>do with why quality of PUBLIC EDUCATION, one of the > >>highest > >>priorities of any nation. > > > >Perfect. I have no issues if you pay tens of thousand > >dollars to send your child to Private School. But > >then Indian Education is OUR business ... NOT your. > > > > > >>>Let us assume they went to some highly exclusive > >>>private schools, because we could afford it. Should > >that mean that > >>>those who could not afford it did not deserve an > >equally high quality > >schooling? > > > > > >If you had "EQUALLY HIGH QUALITY" in Public school, > >you WOULD NOT have sent your kid to Private School. > >And since you sent your children to Private School it > >shows that you DO NOT TRUST on quality of Public > >Schools in US > > > >BTW, the fees in KV used to be Rs5 (waived for > >economically poorer section) when I was a student. If > >things have not changed it is still in same range. > > > > > > > >>>>it still has produced some of the nation's most > >important and most creative > >>>personalities and contributed to its advancement. > >Shawnee Mission > >>>East High School is a good example. > > > >Similarly KV is a good example > > > > > > > >As you said earlier ..... you are quarreling for the > >sake of quarreling making yourself look bad > > > > > > > >>>Out of the seven kids, ONE, was from Kendriya > >Vidyalay, a public > >>>institution, but a highly PRIVILEGED one. While I > >am unwilling to > >>>pass verdict on the condition of Indian education > >from the example of > >>>seven kids out of a country of a billion people, > >knowing what I do, > >>>one can reasonably conclude that the example of > >these kids cited are > >>>an extraordinary exception, not the norm by a long > >shot. > > > >Why is it that Kendriya Vidyalays get special funding > >, special > >teachers, while the rest of the country has to make do > >with what they > >have to? What is it about Central employees that > >deserve such special > >care, while the rest don't? Colonialism is what comes > >to mind. > > > >Where our children went to school is our business. It > >has nothing to > >do with why quality of PUBLIC EDUCATION, one of the > >highest > >priorities of any nation. Our circumstances dictated > >where we sent > >our kids to school. Let us assume they went to some > >highly exclusive > >private schools, because we could afford it. Should > >that mean that > >those who could not afford it did not deserve an > >equally high quality > >schooling? > > > >While it is a well-known fact that American public > >schooling leaves > >a lot to be desired, it still has > >produced some of the nation's most important and most > >creative > >personalities and contributed to its advancement. > >Shawnee Mission > >East High School is a good example. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >At 2:37 PM -0700 10/1/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty > >wrote: > >>There goes your knowledge about India :) > >> > >>Kendriya Vidyalaya (first link) is a Central Govt > >>School fully funded by GOI and spread accross all > >over > >>India (including NE). And with some more research > >you > >>will be able to find out other achivements of > >students > >>of Kendriya Vidyalaya ... if you are really > >>interested. > >> > >>BTW, did your children attend a public school or a > >>private school ? If Private school, why? > >> > >>If not, the same question remains ... why do many > >>Americans send their children to highly expensive > >>Private School? > >> > >> > >>>>That was nice to note. > >> > >>>>One significant difference: All of the students > >>>>from India are from > >>>>Private Schools. Nandinee is from a public high > >>>>school ( not like > >>>>Indian Public School, as in Doon School etc.), > >>>>Shawnee Mission East > >>>>High School, Kansas. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>At 1:43 PM -0700 10/1/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty > >>wrote: > >>>Congratulations Nandini > >>> > >>>C'da, you might be interested in these too > >>> > >>> > >>>http://www.hindu.com/2007/05/21/stories/2007052104521300.htm > >>> > >>>http://www.educationuk.org/clubukindia/1/news_india_youth.html > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ > >Need a vacation? Get great deals > >to amazing places on Yahoo! 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