>Has anyone made up his/her mind as to what should be the objective
measure about the stage when such a vote becomes mandatory?
**** It is NOT about making some OBJECTIVE , UNIVERSAL law, that will
make it BINDING on all those in violent conflicts, for whatever
reason, to submit to a plebiscite.
The plebiscite idea is a RESPONSE to the ULFA/Assam/ GoI conflict,
because those who accept and promote Indian supremacy over Assam
CLAIM that they are the majority in Assam, thus ULFA ought to
disappear, in a desi-demokratic dispensation where the numerical
majority is expected to run supreme on all issues.
No one needs to seek a plebiscite in Nagaland, do they?
**** On the matter of numbers of lives lost in the conflict, should
it make a difference whether it is 1,000 0r 5,000 or 10 if not 15?
And should it make a difference WHO are included in it?
George Bush and Dick Cheney would love it so to preside over
desi-demokrasy, where they wouldn't have to explain to anyone why
their armies are permanently placed in the NE or Kashmir , or tell
anyone how many of their own people they have killed or put in harms
way, or what part of their annual outlay is and have been expended
since independence in fighting these wars against their beloved
brethren in Nagaland , in Assam, in Mizoram, in Manipur ,in Kashmir
and PRODUCING WHAT and at WHOSE expense.
Apparently democracy lovers brought up under the fine traditions of
desi-demokrasy missed it altogether.
Wonder WHY?
At 6:34 AM +0100 10/14/07, uttam borthakur wrote:
As I understand it, according to Sri C. Mahanta, 15000 lives lost (
I do not know how this figure has been arrived at... whether it
represents the number of ULFA cadres killed or Oxomiyas killed
(including those in unintended cross-fires), .... whether it
includes all lives lost including the non-oxomiyas) over 29 years is
the objective basis making the plebiscite imperative. So, that is
one measure.
Has anyone made up his/her mind as to what should be the objective
measure about the stage when such a vote becomes mandatory?
kamal deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The GOI has similarly been willing to hold parleys with ULFA in
order to hammer out a solution within the ambit of the
Constitution.What is wrong with that ?
KJD
On 10/13/07, Chan Mahanta
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The big vacuum of reason here I see is this:
IF, Assam's OWNERS, I mean other those who sit in Dilli , so
wish for an end to hostilities
and can't figure out HOW, and if ULFA, the villains,
declare that they will abide by the
verdict of the people for whose sovereignty they gave nearly
15,000 Oxomiya lives over
29 years, then would it NOT make eminent sense to hold one?
What am I missing here? Would it be sincerity of purpose ( of a
hope for peace), or is that yet another
display , albeit unintended, attempt to to have it both ways?
At 3:57 AM +0100 10/14/07, uttam borthakur wrote:
Living in a cave does not exclude the yearning or formation of
wisdom as Plato would ask us to believe.
The right to self-determination should not be denied to any people.
But the question is: how the stage is to be assessed where a
plebiscite becomes imperative. Simply because ULFA says that, should
it be held? That NSCN or other outfits have claimed parts of the
present Assam, should a plebiscite be held for that purpose in the
disputed areas? In that case there would be no end to plebiscite and
that is a very impractical thing. Then we will have to divide Assam
to the size of the city states and have to decide every issue
through citizens' vote! Now we have to assess whether the stage has
come. I request everyone here or otherwise to find an objective
measure of assessment. Moreover, could not the protagonists of
secession consider building up of the opinion without training
their guns on the people of Assam on the pretext of they being spies
of the 'state' etc? The covert organisations always fall prey to the
guiles of the 'state' they fight by killing their own due to
suspicion and sometimes intra-organisational feud. Better they do
things under the sun taking people as their forte rather than
ineffectual guns.
If the majority of the people feel that they should protect
themselves with guns, I would not oppose that. But the people do not
need a few to 'protect' and/or'kill' some of them on whimsy on the
pleas of mistaken identity, cross-fire etc.
kamal deka <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Rubi Bhuyan and the people of his/her ilk must be living in a
cave,totally detached from the ground realities of Assam.They are
merely prodding at the body of ' sovereignty' without knowing what
it is all about---like children at a new toy in the market
showroom.Rubi Bhuyan's point of view expressed in the Assam Net is
of no consequence as far as I am concerned.
I respectfully disagree with Mr.Nayanjyoti Medhi's opinion,voiced in
this forum in regard to holding a plebiscite in Assam focusing
solely on the sovereignty issue as demanded by the ULFA,who are
itching to break-up a 60-year-old kaleidoscopic federation.Why do we
have to hold a referendum,buckling under the pressure of an outfit
that has been outlawed by the Government ? Is Assam an exclusive
preserve of the ULFA ? The right to self-determination,if allowed in
Assam,would then be reduced to a series of voting
exorcises,conducted every 10 years or so in order to meet the demand
of the new generation,at whose whim the border of a country could be
defined and redefined.It will not be very difficult to imagine the
chaos,it would create in a polyglot,multi-ethnic and multi-religious
state as Assam's,if such recipe were to be applied state-wide as a
solution.
Kamal J Deka
sugarland,Texas.
On 10/13/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Dear Rubi,
I thought since you have been following my postings in Assam online
and Assamnet, You would be enlightened as to what, I as an Assamese
would want for me and my fellowmen. But it saddens me because, maybe
the one interacting with me and the one following my posts are
probably not the same person. If both were the same person, then you
would not have written this to me. Even if you ask Chandan Mahanta,
he will tell you that I have been one of the few in Assamnet who has
been advocating against the kiling of our own brothers and sisters.
Whether it is in Bhutan, Burma, Arunachal or in their own backyards.
I have even gone on record saying that there should be a plebiscite.
Preferably a independent one where the Government agencies has no
part/role to play. I had requested only one condition that there
should be a guarantee that the people's wishes should be respected.
I am on record that i have been advocating against killing. of
innocents and others equally. But then how would you know. You are
not the one following the posts. However I would suggest that you
see the postings in Assamnet put there by me few days back. You will
find that it is me who wrote that there should be a plebiscite
because a very miniscule portion of the masses have access to
internet and their views here do not reflect the view of the masses.
And that is the very reason why I requested you (ULFA) to go to the
masses in the last post as well as in my reply to the letter written
by you to Shantikam Hazarika, a copy of which was also sent to me.
**** Instead of discussing how such an environment be created,
saying that the United Nations won't agree to a plebiscite, is not
like plucking a solution from the thin air?
****You have put emphasis on the changes the administration has brought in.
Pray tell me when and where did I make the statement that United
Nations won't agree to a plebiscite. And one thing more. I have
never emphasised on the changes the administration has bought in.
Again, I ask you, When and where did I say that? Infact I have gone
on record saying that I am disgusted with both the Government and
you (see my reply to C Da's post) because neither has done anything
for peace and progress of Assam (I have not seen any results in 28
years, I have become a man from 4 months old baby).
Nayan
P.S: Please ask Chandan Da not to barge in and write a hilarious
reply to what i have written coz i won't reply then.
On 10/13/07, ulfa_ 1979April7
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
wrote:
Dear Nayanjyoti Medhi,
We have read your comments in AssamOnline. You wrote," "Times have
changed. The boys are disillusioned after living in jungle camps
with mosquitoes and malaria, killing, avoiding the bullets of the
Indian security forces, and no real destination in sight. To the
mainstream Assamese the ULFA is no longer a struggle for national
salvation but one that keeps normal life disturbed. Is it not the
time to rethink and ask the people what they want? The ULFA should
ask the people if the Assamese people see the ULFA movement as a
beneficial and healthy activity for the betterment of the Assamese
people? Do the Assamese people really feel they are not part of
India and are being exploited by New Delhi?
Now the final question is that whether The ULFA movement is
something that is wanted by the people of Assam and supported by
them or is it something which is being imposed on them." We find
that your statement is a mere repetition of what the unified command
structure has been saying for the last twenty eight years. We do
not accept such views. The colonial administration has been trying
to steer the fate of the liberation struggle of Asom to their liking
for the past 28 years. You have put emphasis on the changes the
administration has brought in. But, why the struggle by thousands of
freedom fighters in a tough situation created by fifth columnists
facing uncertain future is still ongoing has not been highlighted by
you?
The ULFA has admitted of civilian casuality in unfortunate
circumstances(viz suddenly appearing during firing) while conducting
operations against the enemy. Anticipating such casualities we have
publicly requested people not to be with the occupation forces or in
close proximity of the military camps or otherwise.
The murder of engineer Ajay Deka and the old woman Sabitri
Rajbangshi has proven again our contention that the unified command
structure has been involved in these crimes in a planned manner to
malign the ULFA. Some may not believe our position, but, they
should not believe the unified command structure's assertions
either. You are talking about people supporting the unified
structure but there is no mention of the need for independent
inquiry into their operations leading to human suffering and deaths.
Hence we find your views biased.
We are saying that there are masses who want an independent Asom. We
have demanded a plebiscite on the restoration of Asom's sovereignty
under the supervision of the United Nations. We have declared long
time ago that we shall accept the verdict of the people.
Pre-judging of a possible negative outcome of such a plebiscite
conducted in a environment fee of fear, surely is not devoid of
prejudices? Instead of discussing how such an environment be
created, saying that the United Nations won't agree to a plebiscite,
is not like plucking a solution from the thin air? Why do you have
to be dependent on whether India will agree to it or not? Without
gauzing the true depth what the majority of people of Asom wants,
based on a opinion poll conducted at the behest of the army and the
police and use of the internet voting available only o some town
dwellers, you suggest be the decisive verdict on the fate of the
land and the people?
Is it not very childish to talk like this?
With warm wishes
Rubi Bhuyan
"Nayanjyoti Medhi"
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28 years have gone by since the start of the liberation struggle by
the United Liberation Front of Assam. Many boys have died and their
bodies rest in unmarked graves in jungles of Bhutan, Arunachal,
Myanmar and still many have died in their own backyards. Many are
languishing in the different jails all throughout Assam . Many have
surrendered and joined the mainstream. Not only the boys, with them
many civilians who did not have anything to do with liberation have
given their lives in this ongoing struggle between the state and the
liberation army.
United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA) was formed on April 7, 1979
at the Rang Ghar in Sibsagar to establish a "sovereign socialist
Assam" through an armed struggle. Of course, there was an initial
euphoria and an unnaturally heightened sense of alienation because
of the step motherly attitude of the Indian Government in the
initial stages of the movement. The truth has since been gradually
realised and that sense of alienation has died.
Times have changed. The boys are disillusioned after living in
jungle camps with mosquitoes and malaria, killing, avoiding the
bullets of the Indian security forces, and no real destination in
sight. To the mainstream Assamese the ULFA is no longer a struggle
for national salvation but one that keeps normal life disturbed. Is
it not the time to rethink and ask the people what they want? The
ULFA should ask the people if the Assamese people see the ULFA
movement as a beneficial and healthy activity for the betterment of
the Assamese people? Do the Assamese people really feel they are not
part of India and are being exploited by New Delhi?
Now the final question is that whether The ULFA movement is
something that is wanted by the people of Assam and supported by
them or is it something which is being imposed on them.
Nayanjyoti Medhi
Advocate
Gauhati High Court
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