To an extent I agree with Ram-da.
But birds don't want to live in golden cages either - if you make it too stifling for them.
For example, this Earth is our cage but we don't want to leave it, but if we are confined to our room only -we would start jumping - even with all the delicacies and sensual pleasures at our disposal.
I don't know where we all stand on this.
Umesh
Ram-da wrote:
economic problems are the root cause of
alienations, specially in the case of the NE.
alienations, specially in the case of the NE.
If Assam/NE was a well-developed area, there would be
far fewer young men/women wanting to join some
insurgent group.
ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
far fewer young men/women wanting to join some
insurgent group.
ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
C'da
>Will featuring in the national anthem salve
> those kharkhowa hurts, if not eradicate them?
Thats a big jumb to conclusions. Nobody has said that.
You are just putting words into my mouth.
> Does not even rhyme. It would be a an anthem
> singer's nightmare.
Heh! heh! heh!. You seemed to have done a pretty good
job. I will buy your rendition any time -:)
>Incidentally, one of the most glaring omissions or
>ignorances some of you demonstrated last week about
>Assam's alienations were your beliefs that it was
>all about economic development or lack of it.
>Shows how much you guys are out of it.
So, please do tell us (wayward folks) whats it all
about (other than economics).
IMHO, economic problems are the root cause of
alienations, specially in the case of the N! E. You,
yourself have lobbed numerous salvos at the Center,
the Hindi-belt etc for the lack of development or
growth in the NE.
What about the ULFA or other insurgent groups in the
NE? What MOTIVATED them to want a separation?
Are you telling me that it was all because of
'identity', 'patriotism' etc.
If Assam/NE was a well-developed area, there would be
far fewer young men/women wanting to join some
insurgent group. Identity, patriotism etc do play a
role. In my opinion, they help form cohesion,
Assamesenss, or to basically to go rah, rah (feel
good) and garner support for a movement.
I think, for all your belief in 'substance', you have
forgotten the ROOT problems of lack of
development/growth, the other major factor is the need
to have 'power'.
If you were to look into most of the
infractions/insurgencies have root causes in economics
or power plays. Religion too has played a role. But
even there t! he root cause somehow points to economics.
Lastly,
>But can having a statue of Lachit Borphukan, a
>symbolic recognition of kharkhowa martial legacy
>in the military academy at Vizag substitute such
> aspirations?
So, what is this 'substance' that you seek. Its not
these mundane things like statues, awards, a slap on
the back - that we understand. Its not even economic
development.
Assamese identity couldn't be a reason, 'cause that
identity will more than likely dissappear where Assam
gets independence or not.
What is it, just plain old independence,
come hell or highwater?
--Ram
--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Ram:
>
>
> >There are many in the NE and other states that
> believe
> >that they have been given a raw deal by the Center.
>
> *** Do you think there is any reason for it, or are
> they jus! t cry
> babies as some of you seem to believes?
>
>
>
> >But the METHODS or processes of redressing these
> >differ from 'them terrorists'. One doesn't need to
> go
> >gun-toting to adresss these ills.
>
>
>
> *** What might those be? Will featuring in the
> national anthem salve
> those kharkhowa hurts, if not eradicate them?
>
> Jana gono mono odhi nayoko joyohe
> Bharata bhagyo bidhata
> Punjaabo, Oxomo ( or Kashmiro) gujarato, maratha
> Dravida utkolo bongo---
>
> Does not even rhyme. It would be a an anthem
> singer's nightmare. Also
> what are the chances of them kharkhowas beating out
> Kashmiris?
> Kashmir real-estate is far more sexy, far more
> valuable than the
> swamps and jungles of the NE, isn't it?
>
>
> >Sure it is. We all know that. You seem to imply
> that
> >it is ONLY the Indian society that has these. One
> can
> >show any number of examples in any society for such
> >things.
>
> *** The difference Ram, lies in the propensity, the
> degree, in which
> desis have resigned themselves to embrace the
> symbols as the real
> thing, and remaining smug about it.
>
>
> >Extending your's and Prasenjit's logic (about going
> >ONLY after the real thing), my question is why then
> >are people are so concerned about
> 'language/cultural'
> >development?
>
>
> *** You got the wrong idea about 'symbols' vs. the
> real thing. I was
> not implying aspirations of 'cultural or linguistic
> identities as
> 'unreal'. They too are real aspirations. But can
> having a statue of
> Lachit Borphukan, a symbolic recognition of
> kharkhowa martial legacy > in the military academy at Vizag substitute such
> aspirations? Or the
> awards of this or that national awards to Kharkhowa
> artists or
> literateurs?
>
>
> Incidentally, one of the most glaring omissions or
> ignorances some of
> you demonstrated last week about Assam's alienations
> were your
> beliefs that it was all about economic development
> or lack of it.
> Shows how much you guys are out of it.
>
> That fact remains that cultural identities and
> insecurities, the
> history of the peoples of the land, however ill
> defined or recorded,
> still does play a very important part in this entire
> imbroglio. It
> never was about bread alone.
>
>
> >Frankly, I think, we tend to choose and pick what
> we
> >think are 'real' issues and relegate others to
> >symbolism.
>
>
&g! t; I just explained it above . Hope it registers Ram.
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> At 8:58 AM -0800 1/4/05, ram Sarangapani wrote:
> >C'da,
> >
> >>They are feeble and meaningless gestures towards
> >>addressing the NE's sense of alienation that you
> and
> >>others try to portray or believe as existing only
> >>among them 'terrorists'.
> >
> >There are many in the NE and other states that
> believe
> >that they have been given a raw deal by the Center.
> >But the METHODS or processes of redressing these
> >differ from 'them terrorists'. One doesn't need to
> go
> >gun-toting to adresss these ills.
> >
> >> Indian society i! s indeed rife with symbols as
> >> substitutes for the real thing. Do you wish to
> >>refute that Ram? I will take you on if you wish to
> >> embark on that. And as a warning, I will start
> with
> >> Hinduism and Hinduttwa :-).
> >
> >Sure it is. We all know that. You seem to imply
> that
> >it is ONLY the Indian society that has these. One
> can
> >show any number of examples in any society for such
> >things. I welcome any characterization on Hinduism,
> >and I can show similar example in Islam or
> >Christianity. And I show these not just as a
> defense
> >of Hinduism, but more so that all religions are the
> in
> >the same pickle.
> >
> >Extending your's and Prasenjit's logic (about going
> >ONLY after the real thing), my question is why then
> >are people are so concerned about
> 'language/cultural'
> >development? Why not, for example, let the B'deshis
> >swamp Assam? Whats the big deal? After all they too
> >are just people (some good and others not). Maybe
> they
> >will pick-up Assamese at some point. Why fight over
> >territories, and borders, c'da? After all a border
> is
> >just an imaginary line, nothing 'real' there, is
> >there?.
> >
> >Frankly, I think, we tend to choose and pick what
> we
> >think are 'real' issues and relegate others to
> >symbolism.
> >
> >--Ram
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Ram:
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't have anything against your or anybody
> else's
> >> desire or
> >> attempts to infuse a sense of nation in the!
> minds of
> >> the people of
> >> Assam by having the state's or the NE region's
> >> existence being
> >> acknowledged by the rest in the national anthem.
> all
> >> powers to you.
> >>
>
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