O' Ram:
BTW: Are you annoyed by mine (or Barua's postings)?. I would not think so.
*** Far be it for me than to be annoyed by your or anybody else's postings. And you guessed it right about my attitudes about them.
I was merely responding to Rajen's clearly expressed wishes :-).
>But I realize I could be suffering from delusions of grandeur.
Is that something like 'holier than thou' ? :-)
*** Tsk, tsk, Ram! Not becoming for a St. Edmunds alumnus to fall into such
serious confusing on the Queen's language. If you keep doing this
the alma-mater might disavow you. Anjan must be shaking his head in disbelief. It would be another matter if a 'jokaisukiya' or a 'janjiya' or 'Collegiate Iskuliya' makes such errors -- but for a right proper St. Edmunds grad. ? Give us a break Ram :-).
c-da
At 9:59 AM -0600 3/4/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,
*** But I would shut up anyway, if it bothers the majority of Netters. Why don't you take a poll, and if you a would all rather have me shut up, I will be pleased to comply. Because I really don't enjoy causing distress to my fellow men by talking about unpleasant truths they would just as soon not hear about. ****
Heh! Heh! Let me butt in here a bit. Nobody need to 'shut up' and there is absolutely no need for a poll. I think both you and Barua have valuable contributions to offer, and netters on the whole, benefit, whether you both know it or not.
Inspite of divergent views, the goals are the same, I presume. So, I say let the discussions continue. People should be able to voice their thru feelings without let or hinderance.
The only reason I continue to keep doing it is because I have this feeling that even though my views annoy the most vocal of Assam Netters to no end,
I am pretty vocal here, but let me say this - I not the least bit 'annoyed' by anyone's posting. In fact, I rather enjoy divergent views. Being annoyed is not on my list.
BTW: Are you annoyed by mine (or Barua's postings)?. I would not think so.
But I realize I could be suffering from delusions of grandeur.
Is that something like 'holier than thou' ? :-)
But, please, let the discussions continue, isn't that the whole purpose of the Net. As long as we don't get into fist fights and brawls, we are fine :-), :-).
--Ram
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:36:09 -0600, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>At 12:24 AM -0600 3/4/05, Barua25 wrote: Chandan: If we may ask you back, what is your solution? Or none?
*** Rajen: I spoke of what needs to be done, many times. If you missed it, I don't know what I can say that will register.
If 'None', then that itself calls for you to shut up.
*** But I would shut up anyway, if it bothers the majority of Netters. Why don't you take a poll, and if you a would all rather have me shut up, I will be pleased to comply. Because I really don't enjoy causing distress to my fellow men by talking about unpleasant truths they would just as soon not hear about.
The only reason I continue to keep doing it is because I have this feeling that even though my views annoy the most vocal of Assam Netters to no end, there is a whole lot of others who might remain silent, but do like to listen to what I have to say. But I realize I could be suffering from delusions of grandeur. So you will do all a favor, if you can put an end to it once and for all with a poll, even if it is only an unscientific one. I am not looking for you to hire Gallup or Zogby.
Because we are looking for solutions here.
*** I noticed Rajen. And I offered my views. You reject it as an anti-Indian ploy. It is your turn to offer your solutions.
We all know the problems. If you are telling the ppeople of Assam their problems, you are not telling them anything new. They all know their problems.> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:58 PM
*** Am I in an echo chamber here? Where did I hear those before?
You are sooo smart Rajen. Nice try, but doesn't fly :-).
Take care.
c
Rajen Barua, Houston ----- Original Message ----- From: Chan Mahanta To: Anjan K. Nath ; Barua25 ; [email protected]> million hectares and the area actually receiving water from the networksSubject: Re: [Assam] Re: Credibility Of MoWR!!!
Hi Anjan:
> If we are given the franchise to elect our legislators, why are we content to >sit back and watch the non-performance of the elected rather than take positive >steps to correct our initial mistakes (of electing the wrong people).
*** I know you are younger than me, but still, you have seen govts. come and govts. go in Assam and in India. Question is what positive changes have you seen with the turnovers?
You tell me and I will shut the heck up :-).
All of you good folks, who speak glowingly of and never forget to demonstrate to the world your fealty to and admiration of democracy as manifested by 'elekshuns'. That is fine to show what good folks you are.No doubt you are a few cuts above the not-so-good folks of Assam. But that is not the point. I am not questioning your goodness. Question is how on earth do the not-so-good folks folks of Assam who elect the non-performers to govern them,accountable? And how on earth do the better-than-the-Assam-folks, Indians hold their central govts. accountable?
You guys show me something halfway realistic, I will join you and Rajen and Ram and all the other Indians and sing your praises. But I take a very dim view of people who can't see what sits on their faces :-).
Take care,
c
At 8:58 AM +0800 3/4/05, Anjan K. Nath wrote: Rajen,
How very true. If we are given the franchise to elect our legislators, why are we content to sit back and watch the non-performance of the elected rather than take positive steps to correct our initial mistakes (of electing the wrong people).
As I have said a few times too, we should try and help our people and NOT simply be arm-chair critics.
How would you like to join the North-East-India forum. We have a lot more intersting and positive discussions going on. Your contributions would definitely help.
Anjan ----- Original Message ----- From: Barua25 To: [email protected] ; Chan Mahanta
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; D K Mishra Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Re: Credibility Of MoWR!!!
Chandan: I see Chandan Mahanta, a NRA, shouting in the net and trying to make GOI accountable. What we need is the people of Assam to hold both GOA and GOI accountable for their lapses and not to let them go. That is what Ram and I have been shouting for in the net. Are you willing to join us in trying to help people of Assam do that? That is why I asked you in my last mail, what point you are trying to make by blaming the system.
We have 2 options. We can shout and try to make point or We can try to help people of Assam. I am for the later. Rajen
----- Original Message ----- From: Chan Mahanta To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; D K Mishra Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:26 AM Subject: [Assam] Re: Credibility Of MoWR!!!
For those who might be interested in holding their governments accountable.
cm
At 12:14 AM +0600 3/3/05, D K Mishra wrote: The data about irigation in different states , as provided by MoWR are fake and misleading. I can say this on the authority of data supplied by WRD of Govt. of Bihar. The annual reports of GoB suggets that,
Major irrigation projects in the state (with command areas in excess of 10,000 hectares) include the Kosi and Gandak in North Bihar, and the Sone canal network in South Bihar. There are a number of medium-sized schemes, defined as those with commands between 2,000 and 10,000 hectares, and hundreds of minor irrigation projects. However, as of 2003, irrigation potential (area connected to the irrigation network) was only 2.8> increased in the state until 1990 when it attained its peak of 2.148
was limited to 1.6 million hectares.
Scrutiny of records show that both irrigation potential and actual irrigation (area receiving water)> http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlmillion hectares after which actual irrigation saw a steady decline even as potential irrigation continued to rise. Between 1990 and 2000 (when the state was bifurcated into Bihar and Jharkhand), there was additional potential irrigation of 113,000 hectares but actual irrigation fell by 653,000 hectares. The area irrigated by surface networks has stabilized around 1.6 million hectares for the past ten years. Considering that 404,000 hectares was under irrigation in Bihar at the time of Independence in August 1947, the increase in actual irrigation of 1.2 million acres over the past 56 years is not a noteworthy achievement. At that rate of average growth of actual irrigation, it will take about 230 years to achieve the irrigation targets and if we only consider the growth rate in the past 15 years of misrule in Bihar, the targets would never ever be achieved since the growth has been negative. One can only extrapolate as to when the irrigation department of the state would cease to function.
According to the water resources department (Minor Irrigation), irrigation potential of 222,000 hectares had been created by 2000 of which 84,800 hectares is through surface irrigation schemes and 132,200 hectares is by lift irrigation and energized rural pump sets. However, reports indicate that the surface irrigation schemes have not operated at more than 60 per cent efficiency while the lift irrigation schemes operate at a maximum efficiency of 10 per cent. Ageing machines, erratic electricity supply, incompetent management and indifference of users are stated to be the causes of underutilization of these facilities.
There were a total of 2,316 Lift Irrigation Schemes in the state of which 679 are defunct because of electrical problems, 104 do not function because of mechanical problems, and 826 schemes suffer from a combination of both these defects. Another 221 schemes have fallen into disuse because of the shifting of the river course away from the sump well or due to sand-casting (intake covered by sand). Thus, only 482 schemes, or less that 21 per cent are operational.
There are 5,558 State Tube Wells (STW) in the state with a command area of 307,000 hectares. Of these, only 5,122 have received electrical power. In the case of STWs, too, the operation record is poor - 2,886 sets are inoperative because of electrical faults, 85 because of mechanical trouble, and 302 because of defects in the power supply transformers. As a result, according to the annual report of the Minor Irrigation Dept, against a potential of 112,000 hectares, State Tube Wells irrigated only 19,468 hectares of land in 1999-2000.
Bihar (now Jharkhand) Hill Area Lift Irrigation Corporation (JHALCO) established in 1975 under Tribal Sub-Plan commissioned 394 Lift Irrigation Schemes in the tribal areas of Jharkhand. According to reports, 284 of these schemes are no longer functioning. Not surprisingly, if the rains are delayed by only a week the state faces drought.
Actually, both the data, whether it is given by Delhi or by Patna are fake if the farmers are to be believed. They do not trust the irrigation establishment and most of agriculture is based on their own enerprize. The Irrigation Department claims all the development to its credit.
I am sure, the situation in other states too, may not be as rosy as presented to be. There is a need to strengthen the counter-research to blast the bogus claims made by the irrigation bureucracy.
Dinesh Mishra
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