>If that is true, then Rajen will also will have to explain how he
for example had an education as a world class engineer, right out there in Assam
Engg. College? Or >Kamal as a physician? Or APJ Kalam the rocketry
engineer?
May we take the above statement to imply
that so far as education system is concerned at least, the Indian democratic
system is running and kicking well, and something which is less corrupt,
and of which we should be proud of?. If that is so, may we suggest that
the Indians copy the Indian education system and apply it in other spears also,
like PWD, ASEB, and others?.
Rajen
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] even if you don't
like Hindi films
>Now what made the system USA
system less corrupt now. Did USA changed the administrative >or
parliamentary system suddenly that we don't see so much of such
cases of corruption >anymore? I don't think so. The USA system had been
there almost same for last 200 years .
One of the biggest fallacies of these arguments lie right here. It
is based on a profoundly faulty concept of how the US system works
and/or how its functioning has evolved over two centuries. This is where the
fault of the entire arguments lie.
If the analogy is valid then it might or ought to take another, at least,
a century if not two, for India to have some semblance of an orderly and
effective democratic system. That would mean Indians are unable to learn from
others' experiences or innovations, unlike, say Singapore, or Colombia, or
Taiwan, or Korea, or Malaysia. Or une willing to learn.
If that is true, then Rajen will also will have to explain how he
for example had an education as a world class engineer, right out there in
Assam Engg. College? Or Kamal as a physician? Or APJ Kalam the rocketry
engineer?
Does it make sense? You decide.
At 9:09 AM -0500 5/6/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
Umesh:
When I
questioned the system, I was questioning the system within the present
democratic system; definitely we are not trying to bring other system like
Communism or Socialism which you have correctly concluded to be dead
for all practical purposes.
Now, having
said that, let us analyze the whys and hows of the story or let us
de-romanticize the story and try to see why such a story would not have
happened in the West, and try to see if it was due to the people or the
administrative system here.
1) semi-literate NGO female worker ("Sathin") Ms.
Bhanwari Devi, who was raped in her village near Jaipur , after
she called police to prevent child marriages -- Nice plot for a story. I
don't see anything outside the human character so far either here or in
India . In this or any other country also we would call police to stop
crime. We have not stopped this type of crime here. Crime
occurs. So both India and USA get equal marks so far. No
win.
2) It was very sad to see my hometown's corrupt police
(including police women) and impotent justice and city-smart, fame
hungry NGO feminist women leaders -who did nothing for her. Now here comes the killer. After reading your
views, the key issue is seem to be "corrupt police" who did nothing and that
is why she did not receive justice. In this country also there
had been hundreds of cases where justice did not prevail due to such corrupt
police. May be in USA also such type of police corruptions were rampant
hundred years ago. I am taking KJD's words that people are of equal morality
everywhere in this world. A police in Jaipur cannot be less moral than a
police in Houston say.
Now what
made the system USA system less corrupt now. Did USA changed the
administrative or parliamentary system suddenly that we don't see
so much of such cases of corruption anymore? I don't think so. The USA
system had been there almost same for last 200 years . Then what
happened that people have gradually become less corrupt and more
dutiful and sincere so that we see more and more of justice being prevailing
in this country? How the wild unruly west was brought down to bow down
to democracy and honor the democratic process? I think that is the
million dollar question.
Let us pose
and think. If we can find the answer, we can find what we need to do in
India.
Or in other
words, you need to answer yourself:
3) I think one day I might have to do
something about it myself.
What you
would do?
Rajenda
----- Original Message -----
From: umesh
sharma
To: Rajen
Barua ; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] even if you don't like Hindi
films
Rajen-da,
I am not an expert in governance, but the only "system" people
generally talk about is socialism or communism ----which is a planned
economy ----but that system has colllapsed.
For every other kind of society, I believe, there is the ideal
of a welfare state (well I am getting confused again), but individuals
have to continuously strive to keep their heads held high and those of
their near and dear ones -- a govt "by" the people as you
pointed out.
The older "system" was th royal system --which functioned as
well as the competency of the kingship --but I guess democracy is better
or can be made to work better as citizens learn of their new roles as
citizens as time goes by.
I am never good with the abstract - but here it is.
Umesh
Rajen Barua
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Umesh:
Let this be case for
our study.
In this case in your
opinion, you see coward people, corrupt people, dishonest
people, immoral people or you see something
inherently wrong with the system so that if you replace the present
system with some imaginary golden system everything will be OK as being
claimed by Chandan repeatedly. If you see something wrong with the
system, can you identify specifically what exactly is
wrong.
Rajenda
----- Original Message -----
From: umesh
sharma
To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 12:36 AM
Subject: [Assam] even if you don't like Hindi
films
Now, Ash as abused NRI wife
http://in.rediff.com/movies/2005/may/05ash.htm
'Acting on Faith' explores lives of three women
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2005/04.28/11-faith.html
Hollywood based Mundhra's film "Bawandar-the
cyclone" - was about a real life, semi-literate NGO female worker
("Sathin") Ms. Bhanwari Devi, who was raped in her
village near Jaipur , after she called police to prevent
child marraiges to take place in her village. It was very sad to see
my hometown's corrupt police (including police women) and
impotent justice and city-smart, fame hungry NGO feminist women
leaders -who did nothing for her. I was in Jaipur at that time. He
himself is from Rajasthan.
I think one day I might have to do something about it
myself.
Umesh
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